<html><head><base href="x-msg://141/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Brian<div><br></div><div>I'm a big fan of Pragmatic Marketing and their Product Management model and I can add am MRD to the v.Next SOW. The charters should encapsulate most of a PRD. An overall v.Next PRD would be useful as the WGs spin up and a holistic product vision emerges. I don't think we have enough data for a v.Next PRD at this point, but we can create a draft MRD.</div><div><br></div><div>Given David and Jospeh's desire to get something out quickly, I don't think they will be wanting to wait for an MRD -- I would guess they think they know what they need for their use cases (and I believe they do have a good understanding of their use cases) -- and I don't get a sense they want to focus on their immediate use cases rather than take a holistic approach.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm hoping that if we sit down and chat over some beers, we can brain storm and figure out how to move forward. I don't think an MRD or PRD will be the path, but we can discuss that.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Dick</div><div><br><div><div>On 2010-05-23, at 11:18 AM, Brian Kissel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">+1, thanks Dick for driving this forward.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I'm sure that there are lots of things that need to be resolved, but here are some that seem to be critical at this point, welcome input from others.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>1.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Is it reasonable to try to integrate OpenID Connect charter into the V.Next WG charter or do we need separate charters?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>2.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Is it reasonable to not fork the technology and still achieve the charters that David & Joseph are advocating relative the charter that Nat & John Bradley are advocating?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>3.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If the answer to #2 is no, should we be willing to have a comprehensive OpenID V.Next charter that allows for forking the technology, but manage it all within the OIDF?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span>4.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If we are willing to allow forking of the technology, how do we minimize the adverse impact on RPs and end users who may start out with one application or use case, but then want to expand into others without breaking existing deployments?</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Also, I know that we use the words "charter, requirements, specifications" in foundation speak, but for clarity of understanding, I’d suggest we think in terms of a “product” which is what the market wants from us. In our case, the product isn’t code per se, but standards and specifications that deliver functionality and benefits to the RP and end user in a clear, consistent, reliable, and interoperable way. The best guidance I’ve seen on moving from concept to product is from Pragmatic Marketing:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com</a></span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">As I think about what we’re trying to accomplish, it seems like what we need (regardless of what we call it) are the following:</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Market Requirement Document (<a href="http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/publications/topics/01/0104sj" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">MRD</a>) – what needs in the market are we trying to address (easier registration and login, portable reuse of personal profiles and other metadata, social publishing across sites, enhanced security, etc.). As Eric and Raj observed at the last board meeting, it doesn’t seem like we can paint this with a broad brush. Perhaps there are some baseline requirements across all markets and applications, but there may be unique requirements by segment (social web, ecommerce, media & entertainment companies, government, etc.). Seems like we should first agree on the key markets/applications and corresponding<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.pragmaticmarketing.com/publications/magazine/1/4/0310sj/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">personas</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_case" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">use cases</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>we’re trying to address with V.Next + OpenID Connect.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Product Requirement Document (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_requirements_document" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">PRD</a>) – this is designed to allow people within an organization to understand what a product should do and how it should work. Key components are:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Purpose and scope, from both a technical and business perspective</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Stakeholder identification</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Market assessment and target demographics</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Product overview and use cases</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Requirements, including</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">functional requirements (e.g. what a product should do)</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">usability requirements</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">technical requirements (e.g. security, network, platform, integration, client)</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">environmental requirements</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">support requirements</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Wingdings; "><span>§<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">interaction requirements (e.g. how the software should work with other systems)</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Constraints</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Workflow plans, timelines and milestones</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 1in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Evaluation plan and performance metrics</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Symbol; "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Functional Specification (FS) – Seems like only after we have agreement on the MRD and PRD can we deliver the FS and any corresponding open source libraries, test suites, deployment guides, etc.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Maybe this seems like a lot of work, and it is non-trivial, but unless we agree on what we’re trying to deliver, for who, and with what benefits, it will be hard for us to succeed. You wouldn’t typically try to build a house without architectural designs and construction drawings, and if you did, you might not get what you thought wanted at the outset.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I’m not advocating that this has to be overly detailed and protracted, but if we can quickly come to consensus on some of these things, it seems like it will accelerate our long term progress and reduce a lot of friction along the way. It will also be invaluable in communicating to RPs and end users what to expect – not only from V.Next, but w.r.t. the other initiatives like Artifact Binding, Discovery, Contract Exchange, OAuth 2.0, Portable Contacts, Activity Streams, etc. and how all these will work together to address market needs. I’d love to see us publish an MRD and PRD for V.Next (using whatever nomenclature we think is appropriate) on the OpenID Foundation website to share with the world on what’s coming.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br>Welcoming input from others.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Cheers,</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Brian</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">___________</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Brian Kissel</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">CEO - JanRain, Inc.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">519 SW 3rd Ave. Suite 600 Portland, OR 97204</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX. Learn more at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.rpxnow.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.rpxnow.com</a></span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of Dick Hardt<br>Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:05 AM<br>To: David Recordon; Joseph Smarr; Allen Tom<br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br>Subject: [OpenID board] in-person chat about Connect and v.Next<br>Importance: High</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">David, Joseph, Allen</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">As fellow board members, fellow tech comm members and local residents, I believe it would be useful for the four of us to get together and hash out these topics.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Would you guys be interested in getting together?</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">If so, Monday afternoon or evening works for me. Alternatively, how about Friday afternoon? (I am in Denver for Glucon Tue-Thu)</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I could also meet this afternoon or evening (Sunday) -- but that is likely too short of notice.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Somewhere in SF that is not too loud that serves beer and yummy snacks. My treat!</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I think it is everyone's interest that we start rowing together in the OpenID boat: the community is looking to us for leadership.</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(If others feel that could contribute and are able to meet in person, you are more than welcome to join!)</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-- Dick</span></div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> </span></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">_______________________________________________</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">board mailing list</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:board@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@lists.openid.net</a></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board</a></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:board@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>