I don't think that it makes sense to only pull it into the Artifact Binding Working Group, but do want to collaborate. :)<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Nat Sakimura <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Thanks David,<br>
<br>
and you can contribute "connect" draft to the Artifact Binding WG as well ;-).<br>
<br>
That will save a lot of time for you as well if you and I can move<br>
quickly enough to adjust the differences and clarify the text. Then,<br>
by the end of May, "connect" is out of the door for the public review.<br>
(True, the discovery portion may be a bit out of scope but if Y! and<br>
G. are OK, rest of us are OK, I think.)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
=nat<br>
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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:45 AM, David Recordon <<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Inline...<br>
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi Dewitt,<br>
>><br>
>> Since I am not a marketing type, I may not have been communicating it<br>
>> properly.<br>
>> I got a lot of positive criticism around it during IIW X, but the OIDF<br>
>> chartered WG,<br>
>> "Artifact Binding" Working Group is producing OAuth2.0-- binding of<br>
>> OpenID Assertions.<br>
>><br>
>> The spec has gone through 6 draft specs, and you can find it here:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://openid4.us/specs/ab/" target="_blank">https://openid4.us/specs/ab/</a> ("OpenID for us", not ver. 4 :-)<br>
>><br>
>> >From what I see, it is kind of close to what proposed OpenID Connect<br>
>> would do.<br>
>> It lacks some features like webfinger support (which I expected v.Next<br>
>> Discovery<br>
>> WG would sort out), cookie generation, etc., but they can also be<br>
>> added in, I suppose.<br>
>> It is kind of unfortunate that though I like those features of the<br>
>> connect proposal,<br>
>> I cannot incorporate them because I have read them and these are not<br>
>> contributed to OIDF yet.<br>
><br>
> I currently plan to contribute the Connect proposal into an OpenID<br>
> Foundation Working Group. If that's undesired then I'll remove "OpenID" from<br>
> the name and continue working on it elsewhere.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Artifact Binding does other things that connect proposal does not: it<br>
>> supports mobile handsets as well as higher level of assurance.David<br>
>> might be thinking that these are<br>
>> redundant features, but they are very useful in commerce etc. setting<br>
>> and all these public key crypto (actually, any crypto for that matter)<br>
>> things are optional.<br>
><br>
> I don't think that they are redundant. Mobile is really important and I'm<br>
> glad that you held the session on Artifact Binding at IIW so that I could<br>
> learn more about the limitations within that sort of environment!<br>
> It's not said enough, but Nat you've really been the only one making<br>
> technical progress within the Foundation the past six months and that<br>
> progress is a good thing.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> I am planning to freeze the draft latest by the end of May.<br>
>><br>
>> For expediting the process of getting "connect" like features out,<br>
>> it might be better to utilize this WG as a conduit instead,<br>
>> and still we can message the market that we are producing a<br>
>> single version of the OpenID 3.<br>
>><br>
>> Just my 2c.<br>
>><br>
>> =nat<br>
>><br>
>> P.S. I plan to contribute <a href="http://openid4.us" target="_blank">openid4.us</a> to OIDF. I just needed it to get<br>
>> SSL cert to demonstrate Artifact Binding at IIW. What would be the<br>
>> process?<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:45 AM, DeWitt Clinton <<a href="mailto:dewitt@google.com">dewitt@google.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > From where I'm sitting, I see them as mutually compatible and parallel<br>
>> > goals, but not now the same technology, and that's okay.<br>
>> > Connect being "build on what the web is already doing and very much<br>
>> > wants/needs today", and v.Next being "what could be done given the<br>
>> > luxury of<br>
>> > time to explore."<br>
>> > The OIDF could make an effort to wait for the latter to build the<br>
>> > former,<br>
>> > but honestly, the former isn't going to wait for the OIDF. Which is why<br>
>> > I<br>
>> > advocate a parallel approach if we hope to see the OIDF involved (and I<br>
>> > do).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please correct my understanding of the situation if I got the above<br>
>> > wrong,<br>
>> > as I'm only following the discussions from the edges and I'm<br>
>> > (blissfully)<br>
>> > out of the loop.<br>
>> > -DeWitt<br>
>> > On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> +1 to Nat's suggestion. While we know that both David and Joseph are<br>
>> >> very<br>
>> >> well qualified to lead this committee, if we do have differing<br>
>> >> perspectives on the future direction of the next iterations of OpenID,<br>
>> >> it<br>
>> >> would be good to have representatives from both perspectives involved<br>
>> >> in<br>
>> >> leading the process.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Brian<br>
>> >> ___________<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Brian Kissel<br>
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>> >> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502<br>
>> >> 519 SW 3rd Ave. Suite 600 Portland, OR 97204<br>
>> >><br>
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>> >><br>
>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> >> From: <a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><br>
>> >> [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of Nat<br>
>> >> Sakimura<br>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:09 AM<br>
>> >> To: <a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br>
>> >> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Technical Committee Chairs<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I have a little concern here. It might be a healthy thing to have<br>
>> >> discussions, but in the end, I really want v.Next and Connect camp to<br>
>> >> unite. In that respect, both chair and co-chair coming from Connect<br>
>> >> camp bothers me.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> You say that Joseph was close to be a co-chair, but the situation<br>
>> >> surrounding it has changed since then. At the time, there was only<br>
>> >> v.Next. Now, it looks like there are v.Next and Connect camp.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Do not you think it is better to first ask v.Next camp people to step<br>
>> >> up?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Would not somebody form v.Next camp step up?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> =nat<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:23 PM, David Recordon <<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> > The committee elects its own chairs. A few months ago we elected Dick<br>
>> >> > as<br>
>> >> > chair and me as co-chair. Joseph was really close to being co-chair.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> So, what is the process that chooses committee chairs?<br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:01 PM, David Recordon<br>
>> >> >> <<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> >> wrote:<br>
>> >> >> > Today the Board passed a resolution directing the Executive<br>
>> >> >> > Director,<br>
>> >> >> > Chair,<br>
>> >> >> > Technical Committee, and outside council to explore a contracting<br>
>> >> >> > relationship with Dick Hardt to move the v.Next work forward. Dick<br>
>> >> >> > brought<br>
>> >> >> > up how there could be a conflict during this process given that he<br>
>> >> >> > is<br>
>> >> >> > the<br>
>> >> >> > chair of the Technical Committee. So for the time being I'll take<br>
>> >> >> > on<br>
>> >> the<br>
>> >> >> > chair role with Joseph Smarr (who wasn't at the meeting but I<br>
>> >> >> > spoke<br>
>> >> to a<br>
>> >> >> > few<br>
>> >> >> > hours ago) taking on the co-chair role.<br>
>> >> >> > Technical Committee, expect a followup email around starting to<br>
>> >> >> > pull<br>
>> >> >> > together a set of deliverables and timeline over the next week.<br>
>> >> >> > The<br>
>> >> >> > goal, as<br>
>> >> >> > I understand it, is to either have a contract in place or a<br>
>> >> >> > determination<br>
>> >> >> > that it is unfeasible by the end of the this month.<br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> > Thanks,<br>
>> >> >> > --David<br>
>> >> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
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>> >> >> > <a href="mailto:board@lists.openid.net">board@lists.openid.net</a><br>
>> >> >> > <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board</a><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >> ><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >><br>
>> >> >> --<br>
>> >> >> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
>> >> >> <a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
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>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
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>><br>
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