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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>David, thanks for forwarding the original post to the public list,
that is where it should have gone to begin with. Agreed that most things should
go public, but we still need a private list for some of the topics mentioned.
What we need is just better use of the public list, including me ;-) rather than
trying to create more lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0033CC'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0033CC'><br>
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color:#0033CC'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254"><span
style='color:#0033CC'>Brian Kissel</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0033CC'>CEO - JanRain, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net
[mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Recordon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> openid-board@lists.openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID board] [board-private] OpenID Committees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:18 PM, DeWitt Clinton <<a
href="mailto:dewitt@google.com">dewitt@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sure, I have absolutely no objection to private lists for
sensitive affairs, which definitely do come up from time to time. But I'm
equally conscious of the power of autocomplete in the To box, or just simple
muscle memory.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>BTW, the draft notes should probably be public. All
but the executive session portion, anyway. Or are board meetings still
closed to observers?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I guess the thought is that the Secretary gives those within
a meeting a period of time (week or two IIRC) to review the notes and make sure
that they are accurate. I think we might have corrected one or two errors
in the past year, so I'm definitely fine with drastically reducing
this period of time or eliminating it. And by eliminating it I mean that
the draft notes are distributed on the public list but still verified by those
within a meeting for their correctness before being formally adopted.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The Board is now up in the high teens in terms of numbers.
The entire group is hardly productive on the phone which is why I was
pushing for more targeted and smaller committees the past few weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Rather than board-private, perhaps board-hr and
board-recruitment, which are by definition private, and tightly scoped enough
by name to remind people of the purpose of those list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Fine by me. I'm trying to move the OpenID lists over
to Google Apps (since there is now Groups support) which makes admin tasks like
this much easier. I don't have a solid plan yet for the transition from a
technical perspective. (Importing archives, DNS switch over, <a
href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a> vs <a
href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>, etc).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I found that, after I was no longer on board-private, my
knowledge of the OIDF greatly decreased. That says something.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This must be fixed this year. There is far too large
of a gap between the value the OIDF creates for Board members and for everyone
else. Our current membership model supports this gap and must evolve.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>--David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-DeWitt</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:03 PM, David Recordon <<a
href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com" target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>There are a few legitimate use cases of the
private list, but I generally agree with you. It seems like the main uses
for the private list should be:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> - draft meeting notes for review<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> - sensitive legal / PR issues<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> - HR (though this mainly happens via a small CC list
of the exec committee)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> - prospective members<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I also don't think that everyone is as offended by giant CC
lists as you or I am. I worry that because of this, what is currently sent
to the private list – and at least archived – would be lost.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>:-\<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Could always moderate new threads, but that would be sad.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>--David</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM, DeWitt Clinton <<a
href="mailto:dewitt@google.com" target="_blank">dewitt@google.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>: )<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As someone who only follows board public now, I'm wondering
if the board would consider deleting board-private altogether. I made
this suggestion a year or two ago, but never really followed up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The bounce mail would be a good reminder of best practices.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-DeWitt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 PM, David Recordon <<a
href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com" target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Starting the new year off right
and moving this to the public list... :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Brian Kissel <<a
href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank">bkissel@janrain.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello
All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Following
up on our meeting last week, I’ve updated the OIDF Committee Wiki at <a
href="https://openid.pbworks.com/Committees" target="_blank">https://openid.pbworks.com/Committees</a>
I’ve also taken a stab at suggesting possible chair, vice-chair, and members
for each committee. Ultimately it’s up to each committee to select their
chair and vice-chair, but I wanted to jump start the process. When you
review the list, please inform me or the entire list of the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>1.<span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span>Which
committees you would like to be on, if you’re not already listed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>2.<span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span>Which
committees you’re listed on that you don’t want to be on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>3.<span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span>Which
committees you’d be willing to serve as chairman or vice-chairman on.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You
can update this yourself on the wiki or let me know and I’ll make the updates.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board-private"
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