<html><head><base href="x-msg://453/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that it would be fine to post redacted versions.<div><br></div><div>I suspect that a page with the companies and individuals who have signed up for WG is probably more useful than the scanned agreements themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>I made a IPR declaration three years ago when the OIDF was formed and the PAPE WG started. I don't recall anyone telling me it was going to be scanned and posted.</div><div><br></div><div>I like most people haven't thought about it in a while because there haven't been new WG.</div><div><br></div><div>If we are going to publish information that people give us we need to make that clear at the time of collection.</div><div><br></div><div>We may be violating privacy laws outside the US. I would prefer to make sure it is not an issue for the membership.</div><div><br></div><div>John B.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 2010-01-27, at 2:47 PM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It would be fine to post digital images with the signatures and address information redacted – possibly by overlaying them with “Information on file with OIDF” or something of that sort. (Sort of how elevators often contain messages about the elevator license being on file at such-and-such place.)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Recordon<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:40 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OpenID board] OIDF Privacy Policy<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hey John,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'm happy to have us reconsider the policy.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The idea is to make it incredibly transparent around who has signed what (when it comes to IP). So far you're the first person in three years to say anything about it.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Considering that there can be different versions of documents and some documents with options, scanning them as PDFs seemed like the easiest and most accurate method. 99% of the time it's also companies signing the agreements and using corporate addresses versus personal.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If Global Inventures is able to manage these agreements and keep up to date online records, I'm less worried about each agreement being available online.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">That said, they should be made available upon request.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">--David<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:07 AM, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:jbradley@mac.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jbradley@mac.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In the process of setting up the AX 1.1 WG a number of things have come to light.<br><br>One is some confusion around who needs to submit what sort of agreement, Personal or Company.<br>Perhaps our new Secretary can have a look at that.<br><br>The more important one is that the OIDF has a practice of positing scanned documents publicly including peoples signature.<br><br>A number of us don't think publicly posting our address info with a scan of our signature is such a good idea.<br><br>I think everyone agrees that who has signed contribution agreements and what WG they apply to should be public.<br><br>However there are ways to do that are less subject to identity theft and other issues.<br><br>I would like to recommend that one of our committees (perhaps the legal one) or a sub committee.<br><br>Review and publish the OIDF privacy policy and specifically if practices like posting members PII publicly are appropriate.<br><br>The board can then consider those recommendations.<br><br>In the interim I would like GlobalInventures to redact my signature from any and all of the IPR agreements they publish.<br><br>I don't think we can be credible respecting peoples right to privacy on the internet if we don't do a credible job with our own members.<br><br>There may be other privacy issues I am not currently aware of as well.<br><br>I think being proactive about privacy can only increase participation from the community in general.<br><br>Regards<br>John B.<br>_______________________________________________<br>board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:board@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:board@lists.openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>