On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Brian Kissel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regardless of how we get the technologies to work with each
other, from an adoption perspective it seems like we do need to have a clear
and consistent message on how RPs and end users can leverage all the benefits
of OpenID, OAuth, WRAP, Portable Contacts, SREG/AX, Activity Streams, etc. in a
robust and reliable way. Facebook has done a great job providing a turnkey
solution for website operators and end users that provides benefits to both
stakeholders. The open standards-based alternatives need to offer similarly
compelling functionality and ease of deployment/use to see increased success in
the market. What suggestions do folks have on how we achieve that?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think that we need more demos and examples of how this stuff works — whether we wire up <a href="http://openid.net">openid.net</a> or <a href="http://openweb.org">openweb.org</a> as a demonstration of how this stuff can be assembled, what Facebook has done better than most is:</div>
<div><br></div><div>1) lead by example</div><div>2) work with partners to demonstrate how far you can take integrations</div><div>3) supported their product and shown continuous, active development (even if that means breaking things from time to time, it proves that they're at least changing things!)</div>
<div>4) have done lots of worldwide outreach to foment community with Developer Garages</div><div>5) have made the technology relevant to their audience: site and app builders, hobbyists, publishers, etc</div><div>6) have communicated clearly and consistently the value of the technology</div>
<div><br></div><div>These pages are worth providing an OpenID.net answer to:</div><div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://developers.facebook.com/connect.php">http://developers.facebook.com/connect.php</a></div><div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/connectnews?v=app_7146470109">http://www.facebook.com/connectnews?v=app_7146470109</a></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>7) have provided overwhelming value that obviated the concern about someone else "owning" the implementors' customers — instead the upside for new customers was so great that it was worth the perceived loss of control.</div>
<div>8) have provided desktop, embedded, mobile, and web solutions</div><div>9) have provided user interface guidelines, recommendations, analytics, and other tools to measure the success of an implementation</div><div>10) have kept the FB Connect in the news and have continued to roll out new features, improvements, optimizations, and functionality</div>
<div><br></div><div>So. We have our work cut out for us. </div><div><br></div><div>Especially aligning all the things that the companies pushing the open solutions have been rolling out that would make for great news stories.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Perhaps we should really just break up what would have been the marketing@ committee and create an adoption and press committees to help make concrete and divide up responsibilities for some of the things that need to happen in 2010?</div>
<div> </div><div>Chris</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0033CC">Cheers,</span></p>
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Brian</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Tom<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2010 10:12 AM</span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br>
</div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board
Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)<p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As one of the authors of OAuth-WRAP let me
just say that rewriting OpenID as a profile of WRAP is a bad idea, especially
from a marketing and perception perspective. <br>
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However, I do think that we need a way for RPs to access the user’s data via
API, and some sort of WRAP integration does seem to make sense.<br>
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Allen<br>
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On 1/15/10 8:10 AM, "Chris Messina" <<a href="http://chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:45 AM, daniel jacobson <<a href="http://fragment37@yahoo.com" target="_blank">fragment37@yahoo.com</a>>
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While I'm not about to suggest that we wait for the "perfect"
solution — I want to be conscious of the cred that could be burned if we
decide, 3-6 months from now, that really OpenID should be rewritten as a
profile of OAuth WRAP (let's just say) and that adoption should really hinge on
getting WRAP out the door and THEN promoting OpenID v.Next on top of it.</span></p>
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