>> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Google Group's spam handling and moderation tools aren't perfect, but they destroy Mailman's from a day-to-day mgmt perspective.</span><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">There was apparently some massive improvement in spam handling pushed out last week to Google Groups. I don't know that team will, but I heard they had a big party after seeing the results.<br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Chris Messina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+1 to preserving the archive links, of course.<div><br></div><div>I'll add that having to moderate lists using Mailman gives me a conniption.</div><div><br></div><div>Google Group's spam handling and moderation tools aren't perfect, but they destroy Mailman's from a day-to-day mgmt perspective.</div>
<div><br></div><div><font color="#888888">Chris</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, David Recordon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com" target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes, I don't see how we could make this change without both preserving<br>
the archives at their current URLs and importing the mailing list<br>
history into the new groups.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--David<br>
</font><div><div></div><div><br>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Would the existing archives be preserved, including the links to the messages? They're an important part of the archives of the organization, and I would be against a change where they're lost.<br>
><br>
> -- Mike<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of David Recordon<br>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:44 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br>
> Cc: OpenID Board (public)<br>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] [OpenID] Google Groups for your domain<br>
><br>
> Hey Mike,<br>
> Mailman is quite painful to administer and the web archives are<br>
> archaic. Google Groups removes all of the administration headaches,<br>
> makes it drastically easier to moderate a mailing list, and provides a<br>
> modern public web interface which includes powerful search<br>
> functionality.<br>
><br>
> The only reason we didn't move to Google Groups a few years ago was<br>
> that they weren't offerred on your own domain name.<br>
><br>
> --David<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Maybe I missed the thread, but what is the advantage of making a change when we already have working mailing lists? There seems like more risk than benefit to doing this.<br>
>><br>
>> -- Mike<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of David Recordon<br>
>> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:32 PM<br>
>> To: Nat Sakimura<br>
>> Cc: OpenID Board (public); <a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] [OpenID] Google Groups for your domain<br>
>><br>
>> Hey Nat,<br>
>> Why do we need a motion? Not a single person objected when I started<br>
>> the thread.<br>
>><br>
>> Less bureaucracy, not more. :)<br>
>><br>
>> --David<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Let us make this to an item for the next board meeting so that we can<br>
>>> make a motion to do it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am +1 on making transition as long as it can be done smoothly.<br>
>>> At the same time, we must make a habit of doing it a bit more formally<br>
>>> than just making move.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The same applies to the move to github from <a href="http://svn.openid.net" target="_blank">svn.openid.net</a>.<br>
>>> (Though, this one may have some implication because it changes the domain name<br>
>>> and github is harder to go through corporate firewalls.)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =nat<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Chris Messina <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Moving this to the board list, since I'd like to see action/outcome taken<br>
>>>> against Dave's proposal.<br>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Recordon <<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com" target="_blank">recordond@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I'm going to ask the Google folks if they can set us up with a Google<br>
>>>>> Apps account and see what's involved in converting over and importing<br>
>>>>> our mailing lists.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Dave: any follow up on this? What would it take to move over to Google<br>
>>>> Apps?<br>
>>>> Chris<br>
>>>><br>
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