<div>Moving this to the public list since broader feedback will be useful as we clean up this information. :)</div><div><br></div>Like Chris, I'm interested in seeing how we can make this information more actionable. What does this mean for a site owner when they're choosing their "nascar"? Or as a user how does this information help me choose my provider.<div>
<br></div><div>--David<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Chris Messina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
In its current state, this matrix is likely to confuse. <div><br></div><div>As well "matrix" is not a word that I think will make sense to many people.</div><div><br></div><div>We currently see around 6% of our traffic going this page. The next page they visit is Getting Started (<a href="http://openid.net//add-openid/add-getting-started/" target="_blank">http://openid.net//add-openid/add-getting-started/</a>). I think this kind of detailed information belongs on that page.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Concrete proposals:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The matrix feels more like second-tier documentation... while it is very valuable information, we should be careful about just adding links and tabs to the website without longer term consideration. Can we provide a link that reads "Learn more about current [OpenID provider capability]" at the very bottom of the "Add OpenID" page?</div>
<div>2. That matrix is full of information...! And ugly as heck. It's worth cleaning it up if we're going to present it for public consumption. Can we get Darrin or someone else with a design eye to take a crack at making it public-presentable?</div>
<div>3. Can we focus the take-aways from the matrix to a few clear items? Specifically, I think saying who provides verified email, profile data, and who has access to what number of active monthly users are the operative bits of information. The current matrix weaves together technical capabilities with stats that we can use to argue for adopting OpenID. At the very least, we need to call out the stuff that makes the [business] case for adopting OpenID in the first place, and THEN provide information that developers can use.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Happy to provide more feedback, but I do not want to see this matrix just thrown on the site because it's "data complete".</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Brian Kissel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank">bkissel@janrain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Guys,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I think we’re ready to publish the OP matrix.
John, can you find a suitable place on the OIDF website to provide this text
and link. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">Identity
Provider Capability Matrix </span></b><a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tNv5ZWQD5wzK4luDFn0anmw&output=html" target="_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tNv5ZWQD5wzK4luDFn0anmw&output=html</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
following matrix attempts to characterize the offerings of many of the user managed
identity providers along dimensions including user base description, identity
services, address book and feed services, security, data elements supported,
and security enhancements. Some of the attributes are subjective and
qualitative in nature and some data may be missing for certain providers.
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Definitions,
descriptions, and clarifying notes for each element in the table are summarized
in columns A and B under the matrix.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">The
intent of this document it to share the significant progress being made by each
of the major identity providers in expanding and improving their offerings for
the benefit of website operators and end users. This will be updated at
least quarterly by each of the identity providers, so feel free to come back to
find the latest information.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">If
there is additional information you would like to see displayed in this matrix
or you feel there are errors, please provide comments below (hoping we can put
a feedback tool here so users can give us direct input).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe a good place would be a new top level nav entry on
this page: <a href="http://openid.net/add-openid/" target="_blank">http://openid.net/add-openid/</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Insert a new tab after “Getting Started” but
before “Become an OpenID Provider” that says “OpenID Provider
Matrix” or something like that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><map name="12567917a8f8accb_1256784298aee9f8_MicrosoftOfficeMap0"><area shape="Rect" coords="139, 150, 416, 180" href="http://openid.net/add-openid/add-getting-started/" title="begin accepting OpenID" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="801, 147, 938, 196" href="http://openid.net/add-openid/add-getting-started/" title="Get Started!" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="877, 67, 952, 83" href="http://openid.net/foundation/members/" title="Member sign-in" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="766, 67, 865, 83" href="http://openid.net/foundation/members/registration" title="Join the Foundation" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="127, 55, 313, 97" href="http://openid.net/add-openid/become-a-provider" title="Become an OpenID Provider" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="12, 55, 127, 97" href="http://openid.net/add-openid/add-getting-started" title="Getting Started" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="812, 11, 962, 49" href="http://openid.net/" title="OpenID" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="606, 16, 702, 56" href="http://openid.net/government" title="Government" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="515, 16, 605, 56" href="http://openid.net/community" title="Community" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="425, 16, 514, 56" href="http://openid.net/foundation" title="Foundation" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="336, 16, 424, 56" href="http://openid.net/developers" title="Developers" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="172, 16, 335, 56" href="http://openid.net/add-openid" title="Add OpenID to your site" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="62, 16, 171, 56" href="http://openid.net/get-an-openid" title="Get an OpenID" target="_blank"><area shape="Rect" coords="12, 16, 61, 56" href="http://openid.net/" title="Home" target="_blank"></map><img border="0" width="993" height="812" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CA76B6.B6D52D70" usemap="#12567917a8f8accb_1256784298aee9f8_MicrosoftOfficeMap0"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy">Cheers,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy"><br>
Brian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:navy">___________</span></b><span style="color:navy"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:navy"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">Brian
Kissel</span></a></span></b><span style="color:#1F497D"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:navy">CEO, JanRain - </span></b><b><i><span style="color:#333399">WebID and Social Publishing for User Engagement</span></i></b><span style="color:navy"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy">5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite 375,
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