<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why community based open source development is important beyond just corporate backed development.<div><br></div><div>I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward?</div><div><br></div><div>If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make <a href="http://openid.net/code">http://openid.net/code</a> then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the Foundation's job to help fix that.</div><div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: -1px; "><div><blockquote type="cite">On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us">jernst@netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; ">We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of the name ;-)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too.</div><div><br></div><div>The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in terms of writing code.</div><div><br></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed.</div><div><br></div><div>I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing themselves.</div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is active and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java?</div><div><br></div><div>I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason.</div><div><br></div><div>Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that wasn't your question.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Johannes.</div><div><br></div></div></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:board@openid.net">board@openid.net</a><br>http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>