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<br>+1<br>
<br>--Andrew</font></p>
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<b>From</b>: board-bounces@openid.net <board-bounces@openid.net>
<br><b>To</b>: board@openid.net <board@openid.net>
<br><b>Sent</b>: Thu Jan 15 11:14:08 2009<br><b>Subject</b>: Re: [OpenID board] Smoothing the OpenID Process
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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board-bounces@openid.net [mailto:board-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Eric Sachs<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009
11:09 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board]
Smoothing the OpenID Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Also agreed, thx Nat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Mike Jones <<a
href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>These motions all make sense to me – particularly since creation
of the PAPE working group was delayed for so long due to specs council issues
and I'm watching the same play out with the current proposals. Having
been there when we came up with the idea of the specs council, the idea behind
it was for it to provide useful feedback cutting across the different
specifications while proposals were being discussed and to make a timely
recommendation once a proposal was formally submitted – NOT to be an impediment
to the creation of working groups or a hurdle that proposals had to clear.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for taking the time to write these up, Nat.
They should make the specs council reality more closely match the intent, and
substantially improve the present situation.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
-- Mike</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Kissel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009
9:17 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:board@openid.net" target="_blank">board@openid.net</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board]
Smoothing the OpenID Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Nat, thank you for your proactive efforts to help improve
the effectiveness and efficiency of our spec process. As I understand it,
the board needs to vote on your motions, then present to the membership for
approval. I second all four of Nat's motions below for a vote by the board.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hopefully we'll have the board polling tool working this
week, so look for an email notification for pending board votes on each of
these motions.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If others would like to discuss Nat's proposals before
the vote, please provide your thoughts to the group.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:navy'>Cheers,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
color:navy'><br>
Brian</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>==============</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Brian Kissel</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Cell: 503.866.4424</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Fax: 503.296.5502</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nat Sakimura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 15, 2009
12:01 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:board@openid.net" target="_blank">board@openid.net</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OpenID board] Smoothing
the OpenID Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi. <br>
<br>
After having worked through PAPE 1.0 spec process, as well as some other spec
proposals, I noticed that there can be several things that we can do to smooth
the process. I think they were worthwhile excercises to find out these
glitches. <br>
<br>
Followings are the proposed motions that I would like the board to consider.
There are two types: one that can take effect immediately, and one that
requires board and membership voting. <br>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>I. For immediate implementation of the
current process: </span></b><br>
<br>
One of the obstacles that we have found during the process was that it was kind
of hard to get the specs council to deliver the recommendation in a timely
fashion. It has seen some improvement recently, but we want to make sure to
continue it. Thus, I would like to propose the following: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>BE IT RESOLVED that the
OIDF Committee Liason is directed to act as the coordinator for the
specification council so that specification council create a recommendation for
the membership about a formal working group proposal within 15 days of the
complete proposal being circulated on <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net"
target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a> to comply to the current OpenID process. </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>II. Improvements of curent porcess</span></font></b><br>
<br>
As a longer term solution, I would like to propose the following three motions.
The first two are to make sure the timely and effective response from the specs
council, and the last one is to protect the OpenID(TM) as well as to make it
easier to create a WG so that all the discussion will be done inside the WG and
the output is IPR clean. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><br>
BE IT RESOLVED that the members of OpenID Foundation board have agreed to amend
the OpenID process document so that should the specifications council not
create a recommendation for the membership about a formal working group
proposal within 15 days of the complete proposal being circulated on <a
href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>, then the
proposal may proceed to a membership vote for approval. </span></font></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>BE IT RESOLVED that
the members of OpenID Foundation board have agreed to amend the OpenID process
document so that should specs council members not participate in the discussion
of two consecutive working group proposals, they will be deemed to have
resigned, and new specs council members who are committed to participating in
the process will be appointed to replace them.</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>BE IT RESOLVED that the members of OpenID
Foundation board have agreed to amend the OpenID process document to clarify
that no draft may claim OpenID trademark until it is ratified to be an
implementor's draft status or full specification status. </span></font></i></b><br>
<br>
Please note that these consitute the core decision for IPR and process, so it
will have to go through the membership vote as well after creating the actual
errata. <br>
<br>
Cheers, <br>
<br>
=nat<br clear=all>
<br>
-- <br>
Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
<a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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