I understand that legal matters warrant discretion, so I won't dispute that point. In fact, it's the one valid case where I think board-private should be used. <div><br></div><div>I appreciate that Dick has enumerated examples and cases where board-private should be used and have recorded this list on the OpenID Fan Wiki:</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="https://openid.pbwiki.com/board-private">https://openid.pbwiki.com/board-private</a></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, expanding that page would be great.</div><div><br></div><div>I understand that there are occasionally valid uses of such private conversations, but without adequate independent oversight, or a clear scope for use of such privileged communications, surely you can understand that suspicions, well-founded or not, may rise from time to time. </div>
<div><br></div><div>This present case is mild on the whole, and represents a good case where any potential legal actions should be discussed in confidence. I don't disagree with that. But bounding the kinds of conversation that take place on the private list to a specific set of topics or items which match a public set of criteria is desirable, if it's not already been done.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:36 PM, DeWitt Clinton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dewitt@google.com">dewitt@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Chris, I recommended that this conversation, since it involves legal matters, be moved ASAP to a closed list. It's not about keeping anyone out of the loop, it's about making 100% sure you know exactly who your audience is when discussing potentially litigious topics. Discussion about specific use of trademarks qualify here, I'm afraid.<br>
<br>No arguments from me about other uses of board-private, btw. We're trying hard to self-deprecate that list and steer all other discussion to the public lists. It's taking a bit of bad habit breaking, but I know people (including myself) are working hard at it.<br>
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<br>-DeWitt</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Chris Messina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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This sounds contradicting -- Dick, are you saying that this discussion should be made public so the community it aware of it, or made private because "It is often inappropriate and counter productive in negotiations for your strategy and discussions to be public."<div>
<br></div><div>Which side are you advocating for?</div><div><br></div><div>Frankly I think the private list should be used as a last resort, if not banished altogether.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm fed up with private back-door conversations with the "open" ID foundation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Dick Hardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Agree the community should be aware of issues and results.<div><br></div><div>It is often inappropriate and counter productive in negotiations for your strategy and discussions to be public.</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>-- Dick</div></font><div><div></div><div><div><br><div><div>On 2-Dec-08, at 11:27 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"> <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
Open is King! Why hide such an important subject? It's certainly something the community and others should know about and to which results we'd come eventually!<br> <br> <div> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
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<td>Phone: </td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> On 12/02/2008 07:27 PM, DeWitt Clinton: <blockquote type="cite">Definitely sounds like a problem. We should discuss legal matters off the public list, however.<br>
<br> Off topic, do Marketwatch URL's really contain unencoded '{' and '}' characters? Someone should really point them to RFCs 1738 and 2396.<br> <br> -DeWitt<br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us" target="_blank">jernst@netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/OpenQ-Announces-Release-Breakthrough-Solutions/story.aspx?guid=" target="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/OpenQ-Announces-Release-Breakthrough-Solutions/story.aspx?guid=</a>{3E32B03F-4DDD-4AC3-83F2-D02A46D39176}<br>
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