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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Many of the activities you suggest are valuable,
such as securing trademarks in the local jurisdiction, performing translations,
and hosting lists in local languages. I believe these issues deserve more
discussion and probably should be part of a national chapters policy, which is
complementary to the local chapters policy.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I believe we're at a good place with the
local chapters policy and still in need of substantial discussion of any
national chapters policy (which should occur in the working group, not on the
full board alias).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For purposes of making progress tomorrow,
I would still propose that we adopt the proposed changes to the local chapters
policy and then consider a national policies policy separately. Would you
support that course of action and would it let OpenID <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Japan</st1:place></st1:country-region> accept
the local chapters policy? I'd think that it would because you'd already (I
believe) agreed to the text with no specifics about the national chapters,
policy -- just a statement that the OIDF may designate chapters to be national
chapters.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Thanks
again Nat,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> --
Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Nat Sakimura [mailto:n-sakimura@nri.co.jp] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008
10:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Mike Jones<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Snorri; board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board]
Revised local chapters policy</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Mike, <br>
<br>
Below is from my original Chapter Policy Manuscript, which seems to be much too
robust for acceptance. <br>
However, it does contain such criterias: Specifically, National Chapters must
fulfil III-2, III-3: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-weight:bold'> III-2.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Intellectual Property</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>
</span></font></b>The National Chapters are required to secure the fair use of
trademarks and other intellectual property <br>
in the jurisdiction for the OpenID Community with a commercially reasonable
effort. <o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>III-3.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Translation<u1:p></u1:p></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>i.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>The National Chapters are required to provide the
translation of then current OpenID Specifications and the IPR documents in the
local language.<b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>ii.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>The National Chapters are required to assist the
communication of the Local Chapter Members with the Working Groups by setting
up a local language mailing list parallel to the OIDF Working Group mailing
lists.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>III-2 especially,
requires a single entity to be doing this, since otherwise, it will result in a
chaos. This probalby is the most important reason for having a single National
Chapter. <br>
<br>
Also, IMHO, a National chapter should conduct a preliminary survay of local
patents for the possible infringement of those by OpenID specificatioin. This
is a rather costly operation and best dealt at one entity for the economic
reason. Probably, this should be added to III-2 as well. <br>
<br>
Nat<br>
<br>
<br>
Original text are as below:---<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:31.5pt;text-indent:-31.5pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>II.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Duties of a Local Chapter<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1.<span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'></span></font><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Intellectual Property</span></b><br>
The chapters must agree that their activities will be for the purpose of
supporting the adoptions and the usage of OpenID. They must agree that any
intellectual property or trademarks developed or held by the local chapter must
be available freely for the OpenID Community for the fair use.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2.<span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'></span></font><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Activities</span></b><br>
Each Local Chapter must engage in the following activities: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>i.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>Annual General Meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>ii.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>Annual Report Publishing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>iii.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>Web site which is enabled with OpenID Authentication. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>3.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Autonomous Financing<br>
</span></b>The chapters must operate autonomously without any financial support
from OIDF.<o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Membership Management<br>
</span></b>Local Chapters must maintain the list of the Local Chapter Members. <o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:31.5pt;text-indent:-31.5pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>III.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>Obligations of a National Chapter<u1:p></u1:p></span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:31.5pt'><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>In addition to the above Local Chapters duties,
National Chapters are required to fulfill the following obligations. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Form<br>
</span></b>Although it is not required to be registered as a non-profit
organization, a National Chapter must be a non-profit for its purpose. <o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Intellectual Property<br>
</span></b>The National Chapters are required to secure the fair use of
trademarks and other intellectual property in the jurisdiction for the OpenID
Community with a commercially reasonable effort. <o:p></o:p></p>
<u1:p></u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:42.0pt;text-indent:-21.0pt'><b><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>3.<span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Translation<u1:p></u1:p></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>i.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>The National Chapters are required to provide the
translation of then current OpenID Specifications and the IPR documents in the
local language.<b><span style='font-weight:bold'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:52.5pt;text-indent:-52.5pt'><font size=1 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span style='font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>ii.<font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'><span
style='font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal'>
</span></span></font>The National Chapters are required to assist the
communication of the Local Chapter Members with the Working Groups by setting
up a local language mailing list parallel to the OIDF Working Group mailing
lists. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
<br>
Mike Jones wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</xml><![endif]-->Nat and Snorri, since you're the ones advocating OIDF having
the concept of designated national chapters, I'm going to first ask you to take
a stab at answering Dick's question. I agree with him that having a
designation but no criteria for the board to make that designation nor any
definition of how the OIDF should treat a designated national chapter any
differently than any other local chapter is a recipe for future problems.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Summarizing, I think the questions are:<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> - What criteria will be used to
decide which application is granted the national chapter if there is more then
one applicant?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> - Does the OIDF treat designated
national chapters any differently than other chapters, and if so, how?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
Thanks,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
-- Mike<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net">board-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net">mailto:board-bounces@openid.net</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:28
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:board@openid.net">board@openid.net</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board]
Revised local chapters policy</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>OIDF will recognize
any proposed eligible Local Chapters, regardless of the geographic scope
of the chapter, including chapters with overlapping territories and
missions. <span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Chapters
organized at the nation state level may apply to the OIDF to be recognized as
the OIDF-designated national chapter. OIDF will recognize at most one
chapter as the designated national chapter in a nation-state at any time.</span></font><u4:p></u4:p></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>What criteria will be used to decide which application
is granted the national chapter if there is more then one applicant?<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>If the national chapter leadership is lacking and
another group wants to take over, how is that done?<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>These are very subjective / political criteria that I
think would be best for the OIDF to stay out of if possible.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nat Sakimura (=nat)<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Nomura Research Institute, Ltd. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>XDI.ORG Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>
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