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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dick,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>RE the IPR Policy, Blanket Reciprocity
term, I don’t think you give a license for anything other than the Necessary Claims
you contribute. The issue is that if you sue another Contributor for ANYTHING –
even something totally unrelated to OpenID – you lose the license they have
provided to any Necessary Claims they contributed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See the suggestion in the Blanket
Reciprocity open issue section for a simple way to fix that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>RE the formal process, I agree that
essentially it’s a very lightweight standards process. Call it a community
process. But if you read Gabe’s proposal closely, the full skeleton is there. Voting
(which would take place directly on the lists), membership (which involves only
membership on the lists), governance (which is this process doc itself) is all
covered – it’s all just very lightweight. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Overall, if the choice at this point in
time comes down to putting in place “just enough process” for the OpenID community
to have its own lightweight process vs. being forced to move the specs to a
full-blown SDO, I’d prefer the former.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>How do the rest of the board members feel?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
board-bounces@openid.net [mailto:board-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:27
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board] IPR
Policy and Process Proposal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have concerns with both documents:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Formal IPR Policy:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Blanket Reciprocity term -- Sxip has significant Patents in this space
and just giving all those patents that are not needed for implementing OpenID
to any Contributor is a challenging issue for us and I would imagine a
non-starter for large organizations. Perhaps I am missing something about the
intent of this term<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Formal Process:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This is looking like the basis for a standards body now. I thought we
had decided that we would move the specifications to a standards body so that
we did not have to reinvent the wheel? Voting, membership, governance are big
issues that are not defined in this document -- so even though it looks
complex now, wait until those issues are dealt with!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 23-Apr-07, at 9:08 PM, Gabe Wachob wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There’s now
a “there” there. <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks to
some prodding from Mike Jones, we had a spurt of activity this weekend (some of
you have been cc’d on emails, some of you are blissfully ignorant). <br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The result
is the following:<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Everyone (including esp Microsoft) would like to be able to
close this IPR policy by IIW – that’s aggressive, but everyone seems aligned<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There’s a relatively concrete proposal for an IPR policy and
lightweight process to enable that policy at <a
href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy</a>
and <a href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process</a>
respectively<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I’m sure there will be some pushback as this is no small
feat getting grassroots and big organizations to play in the same IPR sandbox.
On the other hand, the IPR policy proposed by MS functionally equivalent in
most of the big ways to the OSP, so things may go smoothly. There are
outstanding questions, etc from Johannes and myself – however, I don’t consider
my pushback to be all that critical and certainly not worth holding up the
process. <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>4)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There’s been agreement among several of us to set up <a
href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</a> – if someone opposes this
(yet another list), please speak up. However, I think this is a truly
distinct topic that is not going to attract the broad-base of interest that
issues like security might have. In any case, we obviously need to move this
discussion to the community. <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We need to do some outreach to get some legal (and related)
advice and input from other large organizations who are most interested in the
IPR policy – I think between the board here we know all the relevant lawyers
and opinionated people out there. My connections are with EFF and Berkeley
people, and some open source folks… <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>6)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I will also post to the wiki a proposed plan for moving this
forward very quickly. <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7)</span></font><font size=1><span
times="" new=""><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Did I mention already we want to get this done by IIW? ;-)<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:.25in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-Gabe<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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