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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See [=Drummond] inline.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
board-bounces@openid.net [mailto:board-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:25
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID board] IPR
Policy and Process Proposal</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 25-Apr-07, at 2:31 AM, Drummond Reed wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Dick,<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>RE the IPR Policy, Blanket Reciprocity term, I don’t think you give
a license for anything other than the Necessary Claims you contribute. The
issue is that if you sue another Contributor for ANYTHING – even something
totally unrelated to OpenID – you lose the license they have provided to any
Necessary Claims they contributed.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>See the suggestion in the Blanket Reciprocity open issue section
for a simple way to fix that.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If I can't sue, I can't enforce, and I effectively have granted a
license. Even with the suggested change, If someone's implementation infringes
on a patent that is NOT required to implement OpenID, then if I sue, then they
can counter sue for infringing on any OpenID related patent. Effectively I have
granted a right to any patent used in their implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>[=Drummond] With the suggested
change, if you sue a contributor over infringement of a patent you own that has
nothing to do with OpenID, they can’t sue you back for infringement of their
patent that reads on OpenID, i.e., your suing them doesn’t invalidate their “patent
promise”. Only you suing them over infringement of something you contributed to
OpenID under the patent promise would enable them to countersue you for
infringement of something they contributed. That’s why I like the suggested
change.</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>RE the formal process, I agree that essentially it’s a very
lightweight standards process. Call it a community process. But if you read
Gabe’s proposal closely, the full skeleton is there. Voting (which would take
place directly on the lists), membership (which involves only membership on the
lists), governance (which is this process doc itself) is all covered – it’s all
just very lightweight.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Given the IP significance of this, the voting process is too loose.
This is not open source software where there is a right to fork and on-going
support of a core group is needed to move forward. The dynamics around a
standard are quite different, and my experience with voting on the OpenID list
has been very disappointing and inconclusive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>[=Drummond] I can only say that with
this lightweight IPR process in place, voting on the list would become more
formal and “tighter” while still being a lot less heavy than standard SDOs.</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><O:P></O:P><O:P> </O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Overall, if the choice at this point in time comes down to putting
in place “just enough process” for the OpenID community to have its own
lightweight process vs. being forced to move the specs to a full-blown SDO, I’d
prefer the former.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>IMHO: Given the progress of the community to date, I think we would be
able to produce a better spec faster in an existing standards organization. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>[=Drummond] On this we need to take the
pulse of the board (and the community) – are we better of going to an SDO or
putting our own lightweight process in place? I’ve already stated my
preference, and Dick his. What do others think?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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