[OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID Connect Federation Spec

[Mike Jones]

We bring IPR protections to drafts when people express interest in implementing them, so that is safe for them to do so. You'll see in the minutes that there are numerous projects already experimenting with the draft and doing interop work.

Like them, I would implement now so your experiences can inform the content of future drafts.

-- Mike
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From: Mike Schwartz <mike at gluu.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:45:54 AM
To: Mike Jones
Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID Connect Federation Spec

Exactly.... there is no substantive discussion on the mailing list.
You're making my point.

So what is the criteria for going to implementer's draft? Why should we
implement this if the core design has not really been vetted?

- Mike


On 2018-07-17 10:32, Mike Jones wrote:
> Substantive discussion happened on the mailing list, Mike.  You'll
> also find numerous references there to the review, requesting that
> people participate.
>
>                                -- Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Schwartz <mike at gluu.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:30 AM
> To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
> Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
> Connect Federation Spec
>
> Mike,
>
> I disagree. As you can see by the lack of comments on the mailing list
> with regard to the federation spec, there is no critical mass of
> interested parties.  And asking people who are interested in the
> federation spec to join every OpenID Connect WG meeting on the off
> chance that the federation spec will be discussed is not efficient.
>
> Can you point to any meeting minutes where substantive discussion of
> the content happened on the call?
>
> - Mike
>
> ------------------------
> Michael Schwartz
> Gluu
> Founder / CEO
> mike at gluu.org
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
>
> On 2018-07-17 09:59, Mike Jones wrote:
>> I know that a number of people actively contributing to European
>> federations, such as NORDUnet, have joined the working group, at
>> Roland's suggestion, to participate in the discussions.  If there are
>> others who you think are not members and should be, please invite them
>> to join.  Participation in OpenID working groups is free.  OpenID
>> working groups operate in public, so the conversation is hardly
>> "buried".
>>
>> Being in an OpenID working group means that the specification will be
>> freely available to all to implement, with contributors all making a
>> patent promise.  Bringing the patent promises into effect is the
>> primary point of the current vote at
>> https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/146.  I encourage everyone
>> who's interested in OpenID Connect Federation to participate in the
>> IPR vote.
>>
>>                               Best wishes,
>>                               -- Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Schwartz <mike at gluu.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:51 AM
>> To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
>> Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
>> Connect Federation Spec
>>
>>
>> Ok, but I think discussion of this spec should be more comprehensive.
>> It would help if the discussion was more public so we could get a
>> quorum of interested parties. As the conversation is buried in the
>> OpenID Connect WG meetings, it's hard to get the right people
>> involved, and has the result of reducing participation.
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>>
>> ------------------------
>> Michael Schwartz
>> Gluu
>> Founder / CEO
>> mike at gluu.org
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
>>
>> On 2018-07-17 09:28, Mike Jones wrote:
>>> Mike - your statement that "The effort to reach consensus was
>>> NEGLIGIBLE to zero" is incorrect.  Indeed, the editors acknowledged
>>> your and Filip's comments in their reply
>>> http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/Week-of-Mon-2018061
>>> 1 /006794.html and agreed to address them in the next revision.  That
>>> will happen after the current vote to grant IPR protections to
>>> implementers of the specification concludes.  The purpose of this
>>> vote is described in the reply
>>> http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/Week-of-Mon-2018061
>>> 1 /006795.html, and indeed, in the public blog post about the IPR
>>> review
>>> http://openid.net/2018/06/08/public-review-period-for-openid-connect-federation-specification-started/.
>>>
>>> Thank you again for taking the time to review the specification.
>>>
>>>                              -- Mike
>>>
>>> P.S.  A vote against Implementer's Draft status essentially boils
>>> down to "I do not want developers to have IPR protections when
>>> implementing this draft".
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: board <openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net> On Behalf Of Mike
>>> Schwartz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:01 AM
>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>> Subject: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
>>> Connect Federation Spec
>>>
>>> Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID Federation spec. While we
>>> like the direction of the work, NONE of our comments have been either
>>> addressed or mitigated. The effort to reach consensus was NEGLIGIBLE
>>> to zero.
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------
>>> Michael Schwartz
>>> Gluu
>>> Founder / CEO
>>> mike at gluu.org
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
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