[OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
John Bradley
jbradley at mac.com
Sat Jan 16 16:43:00 UTC 2010
Sorry I am just catching up on the board list. I discovered that I was only subscribed to the other list.
I agree with Mike.
I think the better approach is keeping the Executive committee small and focused. I think having all of the committee chairs involved will tend to expand it's scope.
I would prefer more full board meetings if they are required.
Having half of the board on the exec committee will tend to marginalize the other members.
John B.
On 2010-01-16, at 5:26 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
> With respect to the executive committee, I'm surprised that you're not listing a third option: Let the executive committee remain as is. I for one, I don't see it as broken, so I don't see a need to fix it.
>
> Herewith, I believe that the executive committee should remain the four officers, plus an international liaison and a technical liaison.
>
> I *do* agree that the other committees should operate in a more accountable fashion and report on their progress to the board more often. But doing that seems independent of the EC to me. (The EC is the one committee that *has* operated effectively and regularly reported on its results to the full board -- a model that the other committees should emulate.)
>
> Covering all bases, I believe that the full board should meet about every 6-8 weeks. 3 months is far too long between meetings at this stage of the game. (I do believe that these meetings should be in person whenever possible.)
>
> -- Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David Recordon
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
> Hey Brian,
> It sounds like I'm being slightly misunderstood. I believe that
> either of the two following scenarios are reasonable.
>
> 1) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and one
> chair from each remaining Committee. It's very likely that there will
> be overlap between Officers and Committee chairs. This means that the
> Executive Committee is around ten people. With strong leadership and
> agenda setting these calls should be productive.
>
> 2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it
> solely focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization
> really moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and
> that each Committee is making progress.) We would then have a
> Leadership Committee (<insert better name here>) which is made up of
> the Executive Committee and one chair from each remaining Committee.
> This Committee would be empowered to tackle execution and coordination
> issues across the organization; much like an executive team at a
> company.
>
> Part of my goal is ensuring that there is both regular accountability
> of each Committee to a group smaller than the Board itself and that
> each Committee has a meaningful forum to raise organizational needs on
> a regular basis.
>
> I imagine that the full board then meets only once a quarter and each
> Committee (including the Executive and/or Leadership) meets at least
> monthly with the majority of their work occurring between meetings via
> mailing lists.
>
> --David
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>> So its sounding like most people would prefer or at least be comfortable
>> with keeping the EC small as long as we ensure that:
>>
>>
>>
>> · we have the right committees (i.e. make sure we add/have one
>> focused on adoption with good representation by RPs)
>>
>> · the Committees have strong leadership (including board members as
>> co-chairs) and are communicating with the full board on a timely basis
>>
>> · the board and EC make sure that the OIDF is properly supporting
>> the Committees and managing any cross committee functional issues that may
>> be relevant
>>
>> If that's the case, then the EC elections coming up next week will only be
>> for the Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer's positions. Don
>> Thibeau as Executive Director is also a member ex-officio.
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to the 6 committees that David has proposed at
>> http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning, are there any other committees that we
>> collectively feel we should start out the year with? We can always add and
>> retire committees as necessary, but want to make sure we have the right ones
>> to start out the year.
>>
>>
>>
>> · Adoption. Charter: Develop OpenID as a product and largely
>> working with relying parties to "bring the voice of the customer" while
>> looking at branding, usability, and delivered value.
>>
>> · Government. Charter: Support the needs of the US Federal
>> Government and other governments looking to deploy OpenID.
>>
>> · Security. Charter: Working with the Technology Committee and
>> various Working Groups, ensure that OpenID's security model is appropriate
>> for how it is being deployed.
>>
>> · Technology. Charter: Oversee the technical Working Groups'
>> progress and liase between them and the Adoption, Government, and Security
>> Committees.
>>
>> · Legal. Charter: Oversee, protect, and develop the
>> Foundation's bylaws and IP it is responsible for such as copyrights and
>> trademarks World-wide.
>>
>> · International Outreach. Charter: Coordinate and support the work
>> of OpenID communities primarily outside of North America. Collaborate with
>> OpenID Europe and Japan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ___________
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian Kissel
>>
>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>>
>> bkissel at janrain.com
>>
>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David Recordon
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:43 PM
>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> And thanks for the edits!
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally I'm fine with the Executive Committee being the four
>>
>> officers assuming that it's scope and role is fairly small.
>>
>>
>>
>> Whether it's part of the Executive Committee or separate, I believe
>>
>> that there is a need for a regularly meeting group of the Officers and
>>
>> Chairs. This group would be smaller than the Board itself and ensure
>>
>> that the Foundation is supporting the needs of all of the Committees
>>
>> and tackle cross-functional issues. This group must be empowered by
>>
>> the Board to make decisions and thus progress. This is why I can also
>>
>> see a model where we re-charter the Executive Committee to have this
>>
>> role.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think about this much like how companies have executive teams that
>>
>> generally have one representative from each major business function.
>>
>>
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks David, great idea. Highly encourage everyone to look at David's
>>
>>> document and provide your feedback.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Brian
>>
>>>
>>
>>> ___________
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Brian Kissel
>>
>>>
>>
>>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> bkissel at janrain.com
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX. Learn
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>>>
>>
>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>
>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David Recordon
>>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:35 AM
>>
>>>
>>
>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I think better when analyzing proposals. So put
>>
>>> together http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning which lists the officer
>>> roles
>>
>>> we need to fill and a stab at the various Committees and chairs (based off
>>
>>> of this thread Don's deck).
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It's a wiki, please be editing!
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --David
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> It would seem that renaming Marketing to Adoption might be a prudent move,
>>
>>> if it also brings with it certain criteria for success and metrics to help
>>
>>> gauge progress.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I think that the "Marketing" committee was ill-defined and had weak
>>> support
>>
>>> - especially from a branding perspective where there is still no agreement
>>
>>> on how important OpenID is a consumer brand.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> As such, I can see how the first priority should be Adoption, which could
>>
>>> include pushing for the test suite and improving the libraries, which
>>> would
>>
>>> be followed by a more rigorous marketing approach.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Otherwise, I agree with focusing on committees, but I also think that we
>>
>>> need to come up with a better approach to encourage progress within the
>>
>>> committees, and for them to report their progress on the openid.net
>>> website
>>
>>> and lists. I think we've done a poor job communicating with the outside
>>
>>> world what is going on with OpenID - and participation on these lists
>>> alone
>>
>>> does not suffice.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Chris
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, David Recordon <recordond at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Yes, which is why one of our Committees must be directly focused on
>>
>>> making RPs successful. We need to disband our current Marketing
>>
>>> Committee - it hasn't done anything - and create appropriate
>>
>>> Committees with clear goals and leaders.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> --David
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Given that adoption depends on RPs actually adopting OpenID, I think it's
>>
>>>> important that we visibly demonstrate to the community that RPs (or at
>>
>>>> least
>>
>>>> potential RPs) have a voice.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Allen
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 1/14/10 7:23 PM, "David Recordon" <recordond at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> 2010 is the year where we must work on developing OpenID as a product
>>
>>>> beyond
>>
>>>> just a technology. That said, I don't think that extending the Executive
>>
>>>> Committee with another appointed liaison role is the correct approach.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> This year we must also push work out from the Board into Committees.
>>>> This
>>
>>>> both broadens the pool of people who can directly become involved and
>>
>>>> forces
>>
>>>> us as an organization to increase the value for non-sustaining members.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I believe that the Executive Committee should be chartered to either:
>>
>>>> 1) remain small (no more than five) and perform the execution work not
>>
>>>> done
>>
>>>> in the Committees themselves, or
>>
>>>> 2) be made up of the Officers (president, vice president, secretary,
>>
>>>> and treasurer) and the chair of each Committee to focus on tackling
>>
>>>> execution issues across the organization as a whole.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I am supportive of being more formulaic to the organizations leadership
>>
>>>> structure.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> --David
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Well, I guess I didn't wait ;-) As I said on the call yesterday, I think
>>
>>>> Daniel's idea is a good one. We added the technical and international
>>
>>>> liaison roles to ensure we had sufficient breadth of perspective at the
>>
>>>> executive committee working level, and I think it served us well in 2009.
>>
>>>> Given that we really want to continue to drive adoption and usage in
>>>> 2010,
>>
>>>> having a representative on the EC that brings the "voice of the customer"
>>
>>>> is
>>
>>>> a good thing. We have some new board members that bring that viewpoint
>>
>>>> and
>>
>>>> it would be great to make the most of this in the coming year.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Brian
>>
>>>> ___________
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
>>
>>>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>>
>>>> bkissel at janrain.com
>>
>>>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>
>>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kissel
>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:06 PM
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Thanks Don, I'll wait a bit to see how others respond before putting in
>>>> my
>>
>>>> +1
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Brian
>>
>>>> ___________
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
>>
>>>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>>
>>>> bkissel at janrain.com
>>
>>>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX.
>>>> Learn
>>
>>>> more at www.rpxnow.com <http://www.rpxnow.com/>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>
>>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Don Thibeau
>>
>>>> (OIDF ED)
>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:58 PM
>>
>>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>
>>>> Cc: 'Daniel Jacobson'
>>
>>>> Subject: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> OIDF Board Members
>>
>>>> Yesterday the new members of the OpenID Board of Directors received an
>>
>>>> orientation briefing on many of the plans and priorities we will discuss
>>
>>>> on
>>
>>>> our first meeting Jan 20th. While not an official meeting, the agenda
>>
>>>> previewed some of key issues the new board will consider as well as info
>>
>>>> for
>>
>>>> our budget development and committee process for 2010. The relevant
>>
>>>> content
>>
>>>> from the orientation briefing will be updated and included as part of the
>>
>>>> background material for the teleconference on the 20th.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> For your information:
>>
>>>> One of the suggestions that came out of that discussion was a suggestion
>>
>>>> from Daniel Jacobson that the views of relying parties can be best
>>
>>>> represented by the addition of a liaison on the executive committee. It
>>
>>>> was
>>
>>>> suggested that this new role be similar to that of the international and
>>
>>>> technical community liaison positions. These "non officer" positions are
>>
>>>> part of the executive committee by virtue of board convention established
>>
>>>> last year rather than OIDF by laws.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Board Action Item:
>>
>>>> Please let me know if you are unable to make the teleconference on the
>>
>>>> 20th
>>
>>>> and, if desired, to whom you designate as your proxy.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Don Thibeau
>>
>>>> don at OIDF.org
>>
>>>> Executive Director
>>
>>>> The OpenID Foundation
>>
>>>> http://openid.net
>>
>>>>
>>
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