[OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
Mike Jones
Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
Sat Jan 16 09:07:53 UTC 2010
In a normal organization, committees report to the full board -- not to another committee. I don't think we're so big or complicated that we need a three-level committee structure (where normal committees report to the executive committee which reports to the full board) -- which is what I'm reacting negatively to. A two level structure, where each committee regularly reports to the board will work well for us, just like it does for countless other organizations, if only we can get the committees besides the EC to meet and report regularly. Again, that should be our focus.
The EC is not the board. It should be just another committee, functioning like the others. We would do well not to confuse the two.
-- Mike
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From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David Recordon
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:58 AM
To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
GI seems to be supporting my second structure proposal. :)
2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it solely focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization really moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and that each Committee is making progress.) We would then have a Leadership Committee (<insert better name here>) which is made up of the Executive Committee and one chair from each remaining Committee. This Committee would be empowered to tackle execution and coordination issues across the organization; much like an executive team at a company.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com<mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>> wrote:
I'm not proposing to add roles to the EC (although I realize that that's how this thread started). I think it's the *one* committee that's working fine as-is, so I don't think we should change it.
I strongly agree with you that we need well-organized and accountable committees. Those committees should meet regularly and report to the full board periodically, (preferably usually by e-mail status reports), just like the EC does.
Adding lots of additional members to the EC, in my mind, is a formula to break the one well-functioning committee we presently have. (Apparently GI agrees with that assessment as well.) Instead, we should be focusing our efforts on fixing the behaviors of the *other* committees.
-- Mike
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This thread started as a proposal to add a relying party liaison to the executive committee. Why does the Executive Committee have technical and international liaisons, but not a marketing liaison? Why not a legal liaison? My proposals both create a more formulaic method as to the organization's structure rather than adding roles to the Executive Committee in an ad hoc fashion.
And with respect, I see fairly fundamental issues with how the Foundation is currently organized. A board of twenty people is ineffective except in face to face meetings. We must shift work into well organized and accountable Committees and provide an organizational structure that appropriately supports them. We must find a way to represent each Committee in a regular fashion within a core execution driven group of the Foundation.
--David
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com<mailto:Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>> wrote:
With respect to the executive committee, I'm surprised that you're not listing a third option: Let the executive committee remain as is. I for one, I don't see it as broken, so I don't see a need to fix it.
Herewith, I believe that the executive committee should remain the four officers, plus an international liaison and a technical liaison.
I *do* agree that the other committees should operate in a more accountable fashion and report on their progress to the board more often. But doing that seems independent of the EC to me. (The EC is the one committee that *has* operated effectively and regularly reported on its results to the full board -- a model that the other committees should emulate.)
Covering all bases, I believe that the full board should meet about every 6-8 weeks. 3 months is far too long between meetings at this stage of the game. (I do believe that these meetings should be in person whenever possible.)
-- Mike
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Hey Brian,
It sounds like I'm being slightly misunderstood. I believe that
either of the two following scenarios are reasonable.
1) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and one
chair from each remaining Committee. It's very likely that there will
be overlap between Officers and Committee chairs. This means that the
Executive Committee is around ten people. With strong leadership and
agenda setting these calls should be productive.
2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it
solely focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization
really moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and
that each Committee is making progress.) We would then have a
Leadership Committee (<insert better name here>) which is made up of
the Executive Committee and one chair from each remaining Committee.
This Committee would be empowered to tackle execution and coordination
issues across the organization; much like an executive team at a
company.
Part of my goal is ensuring that there is both regular accountability
of each Committee to a group smaller than the Board itself and that
each Committee has a meaningful forum to raise organizational needs on
a regular basis.
I imagine that the full board then meets only once a quarter and each
Committee (including the Executive and/or Leadership) meets at least
monthly with the majority of their work occurring between meetings via
mailing lists.
--David
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>> wrote:
> So its sounding like most people would prefer or at least be comfortable
> with keeping the EC small as long as we ensure that:
>
>
>
> * we have the right committees (i.e. make sure we add/have one
> focused on adoption with good representation by RPs)
>
> * the Committees have strong leadership (including board members as
> co-chairs) and are communicating with the full board on a timely basis
>
> * the board and EC make sure that the OIDF is properly supporting
> the Committees and managing any cross committee functional issues that may
> be relevant
>
> If that's the case, then the EC elections coming up next week will only be
> for the Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer's positions. Don
> Thibeau as Executive Director is also a member ex-officio.
>
>
>
> In addition to the 6 committees that David has proposed at
> http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning, are there any other committees that we
> collectively feel we should start out the year with? We can always add and
> retire committees as necessary, but want to make sure we have the right ones
> to start out the year.
>
>
>
> * Adoption. Charter: Develop OpenID as a product and largely
> working with relying parties to "bring the voice of the customer" while
> looking at branding, usability, and delivered value.
>
> * Government. Charter: Support the needs of the US Federal
> Government and other governments looking to deploy OpenID.
>
> * Security. Charter: Working with the Technology Committee and
> various Working Groups, ensure that OpenID's security model is appropriate
> for how it is being deployed.
>
> * Technology. Charter: Oversee the technical Working Groups'
> progress and liase between them and the Adoption, Government, and Security
> Committees.
>
> * Legal. Charter: Oversee, protect, and develop the
> Foundation's bylaws and IP it is responsible for such as copyrights and
> trademarks World-wide.
>
> * International Outreach. Charter: Coordinate and support the work
> of OpenID communities primarily outside of North America. Collaborate with
> OpenID Europe and Japan.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> ___________
>
>
>
> Brian Kissel
>
> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>
> bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>
>
> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>
> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of David Recordon
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:43 PM
> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board at lists.openid.net>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
>
>
> And thanks for the edits!
>
>
>
> Personally I'm fine with the Executive Committee being the four
>
> officers assuming that it's scope and role is fairly small.
>
>
>
> Whether it's part of the Executive Committee or separate, I believe
>
> that there is a need for a regularly meeting group of the Officers and
>
> Chairs. This group would be smaller than the Board itself and ensure
>
> that the Foundation is supporting the needs of all of the Committees
>
> and tackle cross-functional issues. This group must be empowered by
>
> the Board to make decisions and thus progress. This is why I can also
>
> see a model where we re-charter the Executive Committee to have this
>
> role.
>
>
>
> I think about this much like how companies have executive teams that
>
> generally have one representative from each major business function.
>
>
>
> --David
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks David, great idea. Highly encourage everyone to look at David's
>
>> document and provide your feedback.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Cheers,
>
>>
>
>> Brian
>
>>
>
>> ___________
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Brian Kissel
>
>>
>
>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>
>>
>
>> bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>
>
>>
>
>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX. Learn
>
>> more at www.rpxnow.com<http://www.rpxnow.com>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>
>
>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of David Recordon
>
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:35 AM
>
>>
>
>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board at lists.openid.net>
>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I think better when analyzing proposals. So put
>
>> together http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning which lists the officer
>> roles
>
>> we need to fill and a stab at the various Committees and chairs (based off
>
>> of this thread Don's deck).
>
>>
>
>> It's a wiki, please be editing!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> --David
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com<mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com>>
>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> It would seem that renaming Marketing to Adoption might be a prudent move,
>
>> if it also brings with it certain criteria for success and metrics to help
>
>> gauge progress.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I think that the "Marketing" committee was ill-defined and had weak
>> support
>
>> - especially from a branding perspective where there is still no agreement
>
>> on how important OpenID is a consumer brand.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> As such, I can see how the first priority should be Adoption, which could
>
>> include pushing for the test suite and improving the libraries, which
>> would
>
>> be followed by a more rigorous marketing approach.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Otherwise, I agree with focusing on committees, but I also think that we
>
>> need to come up with a better approach to encourage progress within the
>
>> committees, and for them to report their progress on the openid.net<http://openid.net>
>> website
>
>> and lists. I think we've done a poor job communicating with the outside
>
>> world what is going on with OpenID - and participation on these lists
>> alone
>
>> does not suffice.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Chris
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, David Recordon <recordond at gmail.com<mailto:recordond at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Yes, which is why one of our Committees must be directly focused on
>
>> making RPs successful. We need to disband our current Marketing
>
>> Committee - it hasn't done anything - and create appropriate
>
>> Committees with clear goals and leaders.
>
>>
>
>> --David
>
>>
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com<mailto:atom at yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:
>
>>> Given that adoption depends on RPs actually adopting OpenID, I think it's
>
>>> important that we visibly demonstrate to the community that RPs (or at
>
>>> least
>
>>> potential RPs) have a voice.
>
>>>
>
>>> Allen
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> On 1/14/10 7:23 PM, "David Recordon" <recordond at gmail.com<mailto:recordond at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> 2010 is the year where we must work on developing OpenID as a product
>
>>> beyond
>
>>> just a technology. That said, I don't think that extending the Executive
>
>>> Committee with another appointed liaison role is the correct approach.
>
>>>
>
>>> This year we must also push work out from the Board into Committees.
>>> This
>
>>> both broadens the pool of people who can directly become involved and
>
>>> forces
>
>>> us as an organization to increase the value for non-sustaining members.
>
>>>
>
>>> I believe that the Executive Committee should be chartered to either:
>
>>> 1) remain small (no more than five) and perform the execution work not
>
>>> done
>
>>> in the Committees themselves, or
>
>>> 2) be made up of the Officers (president, vice president, secretary,
>
>>> and treasurer) and the chair of each Committee to focus on tackling
>
>>> execution issues across the organization as a whole.
>
>>>
>
>>> I am supportive of being more formulaic to the organizations leadership
>
>>> structure.
>
>>>
>
>>> --David
>
>>>
>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Well, I guess I didn't wait ;-) As I said on the call yesterday, I think
>
>>> Daniel's idea is a good one. We added the technical and international
>
>>> liaison roles to ensure we had sufficient breadth of perspective at the
>
>>> executive committee working level, and I think it served us well in 2009.
>
>>> Given that we really want to continue to drive adoption and usage in
>>> 2010,
>
>>> having a representative on the EC that brings the "voice of the customer"
>
>>> is
>
>>> a good thing. We have some new board members that bring that viewpoint
>
>>> and
>
>>> it would be great to make the most of this in the coming year.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Cheers,
>
>>>
>
>>> Brian
>
>>> ___________
>
>>>
>
>>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
>
>>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>
>>> bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>
>
>>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>
>
>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of Brian Kissel
>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:06 PM
>
>>>
>
>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board at lists.openid.net>
>
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Thanks Don, I'll wait a bit to see how others respond before putting in
>>> my
>
>>> +1
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Cheers,
>
>>>
>
>>> Brian
>
>>> ___________
>
>>>
>
>>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
>
>>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
>
>>> bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>
>
>>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
>
>>>
>
>>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX.
>>> Learn
>
>>> more at www.rpxnow.com<http://www.rpxnow.com> <http://www.rpxnow.com/>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>
>
>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of Don Thibeau
>
>>> (OIDF ED)
>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:58 PM
>
>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board at lists.openid.net>
>
>>> Cc: 'Daniel Jacobson'
>
>>> Subject: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
>>>
>
>>> OIDF Board Members
>
>>> Yesterday the new members of the OpenID Board of Directors received an
>
>>> orientation briefing on many of the plans and priorities we will discuss
>
>>> on
>
>>> our first meeting Jan 20th. While not an official meeting, the agenda
>
>>> previewed some of key issues the new board will consider as well as info
>
>>> for
>
>>> our budget development and committee process for 2010. The relevant
>
>>> content
>
>>> from the orientation briefing will be updated and included as part of the
>
>>> background material for the teleconference on the 20th.
>
>>>
>
>>> For your information:
>
>>> One of the suggestions that came out of that discussion was a suggestion
>
>>> from Daniel Jacobson that the views of relying parties can be best
>
>>> represented by the addition of a liaison on the executive committee. It
>
>>> was
>
>>> suggested that this new role be similar to that of the international and
>
>>> technical community liaison positions. These "non officer" positions are
>
>>> part of the executive committee by virtue of board convention established
>
>>> last year rather than OIDF by laws.
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>>>
>
>>> Board Action Item:
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>>> Please let me know if you are unable to make the teleconference on the
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>>> 20th
>
>>> and, if desired, to whom you designate as your proxy.
>
>>>
>
>>> Don Thibeau
>
>>> don at OIDF.org
>
>>> Executive Director
>
>>> The OpenID Foundation
>
>>> http://openid.net
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>>>
>
>>>
>
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