[OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
David Recordon
recordond at gmail.com
Sat Jan 16 08:57:55 UTC 2010
GI seems to be supporting my second structure proposal. :)
2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it solely
> focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization really
> moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and that each
> Committee is making progress.) We would then have a Leadership Committee
> (<insert better name here>) which is made up of the Executive Committee and
> one chair from each remaining Committee. This Committee would be empowered
> to tackle execution and coordination issues across the organization; much
> like an executive team at a company.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>wrote:
> I'm not proposing to add roles to the EC (although I realize that that's
> how this thread started). I think it's the **one** committee that's
> working fine as-is, so I don't think we should change it.
>
>
>
> I strongly agree with you that we need well-organized and accountable
> committees. Those committees should meet regularly and report to the full
> board periodically, (preferably usually by e-mail status reports), just like
> the EC does.
>
>
>
> Adding lots of additional members to the EC, in my mind, is a formula to
> break the one well-functioning committee we presently have. (Apparently GI
> agrees with that assessment as well.) Instead, we should be focusing our
> efforts on fixing the behaviors of the **other** committees.
>
>
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:
> openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] *On Behalf Of *David Recordon
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:42 AM
>
> *To:* openid-board at lists.openid.net
> *Subject:* Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
>
>
> This thread started as a proposal to add a relying party liaison to the
> executive committee. Why does the Executive Committee have technical and
> international liaisons, but not a marketing liaison? Why not a
> legal liaison? My proposals both create a more formulaic method as to the
> organization's structure rather than adding roles to the Executive Committee
> in an ad hoc fashion.
>
>
>
> And with respect, I see fairly fundamental issues with how the Foundation
> is currently organized. A board of twenty people is ineffective except in
> face to face meetings. We must shift work into well organized and
> accountable Committees and provide an organizational structure that
> appropriately supports them. We must find a way to represent each Committee
> in a regular fashion within a core execution driven group of the Foundation.
>
>
>
> --David
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> With respect to the executive committee, I'm surprised that you're not
> listing a third option: Let the executive committee remain as is. I for
> one, I don't see it as broken, so I don't see a need to fix it.
>
> Herewith, I believe that the executive committee should remain the four
> officers, plus an international liaison and a technical liaison.
>
> I *do* agree that the other committees should operate in a more accountable
> fashion and report on their progress to the board more often. But doing
> that seems independent of the EC to me. (The EC is the one committee that
> *has* operated effectively and regularly reported on its results to the full
> board -- a model that the other committees should emulate.)
>
> Covering all bases, I believe that the full board should meet about every
> 6-8 weeks. 3 months is far too long between meetings at this stage of the
> game. (I do believe that these meetings should be in person whenever
> possible.)
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:
> openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David Recordon
>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
>
> Hey Brian,
> It sounds like I'm being slightly misunderstood. I believe that
> either of the two following scenarios are reasonable.
>
> 1) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and one
> chair from each remaining Committee. It's very likely that there will
> be overlap between Officers and Committee chairs. This means that the
> Executive Committee is around ten people. With strong leadership and
> agenda setting these calls should be productive.
>
> 2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it
> solely focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization
> really moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and
> that each Committee is making progress.) We would then have a
> Leadership Committee (<insert better name here>) which is made up of
> the Executive Committee and one chair from each remaining Committee.
> This Committee would be empowered to tackle execution and coordination
> issues across the organization; much like an executive team at a
> company.
>
> Part of my goal is ensuring that there is both regular accountability
> of each Committee to a group smaller than the Board itself and that
> each Committee has a meaningful forum to raise organizational needs on
> a regular basis.
>
> I imagine that the full board then meets only once a quarter and each
> Committee (including the Executive and/or Leadership) meets at least
> monthly with the majority of their work occurring between meetings via
> mailing lists.
>
> --David
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
> > So its sounding like most people would prefer or at least be comfortable
> > with keeping the EC small as long as we ensure that:
> >
> >
> >
> > · we have the right committees (i.e. make sure we add/have one
> > focused on adoption with good representation by RPs)
> >
> > · the Committees have strong leadership (including board members
> as
> > co-chairs) and are communicating with the full board on a timely basis
> >
> > · the board and EC make sure that the OIDF is properly supporting
> > the Committees and managing any cross committee functional issues that
> may
> > be relevant
> >
> > If that's the case, then the EC elections coming up next week will only
> be
> > for the Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer's positions. Don
> > Thibeau as Executive Director is also a member ex-officio.
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition to the 6 committees that David has proposed at
> > http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning, are there any other committees
> that we
> > collectively feel we should start out the year with? We can always add
> and
> > retire committees as necessary, but want to make sure we have the right
> ones
> > to start out the year.
> >
> >
> >
> > · Adoption. Charter: Develop OpenID as a product and largely
> > working with relying parties to "bring the voice of the customer" while
> > looking at branding, usability, and delivered value.
> >
> > · Government. Charter: Support the needs of the US Federal
> > Government and other governments looking to deploy OpenID.
> >
> > · Security. Charter: Working with the Technology Committee and
> > various Working Groups, ensure that OpenID's security model is
> appropriate
> > for how it is being deployed.
> >
> > · Technology. Charter: Oversee the technical Working Groups'
> > progress and liase between them and the Adoption, Government, and
> Security
> > Committees.
> >
> > · Legal. Charter: Oversee, protect, and develop the
> > Foundation's bylaws and IP it is responsible for such as copyrights and
> > trademarks World-wide.
> >
> > · International Outreach. Charter: Coordinate and support the
> work
> > of OpenID communities primarily outside of North America. Collaborate
> with
> > OpenID Europe and Japan.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ___________
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian Kissel
> >
> > CEO - JanRain, Inc.
> >
> > bkissel at janrain.com
> >
> > Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
> > [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David
> Recordon
> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:43 PM
> > To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> > Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
> >
> >
> >
> > And thanks for the edits!
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally I'm fine with the Executive Committee being the four
> >
> > officers assuming that it's scope and role is fairly small.
> >
> >
> >
> > Whether it's part of the Executive Committee or separate, I believe
> >
> > that there is a need for a regularly meeting group of the Officers and
> >
> > Chairs. This group would be smaller than the Board itself and ensure
> >
> > that the Foundation is supporting the needs of all of the Committees
> >
> > and tackle cross-functional issues. This group must be empowered by
> >
> > the Board to make decisions and thus progress. This is why I can also
> >
> > see a model where we re-charter the Executive Committee to have this
> >
> > role.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think about this much like how companies have executive teams that
> >
> > generally have one representative from each major business function.
> >
> >
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks David, great idea. Highly encourage everyone to look at David's
> >
> >> document and provide your feedback.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Brian
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ___________
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Brian Kissel
> >
> >>
> >
> >> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> bkissel at janrain.com
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX.
> Learn
> >
> >> more at www.rpxnow.com
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
> >
> >> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of David
> Recordon
> >
> >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:35 AM
> >
> >>
> >
> >> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I think better when analyzing proposals. So put
> >
> >> together http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning which lists the officer
> >> roles
> >
> >> we need to fill and a stab at the various Committees and chairs (based
> off
> >
> >> of this thread Don's deck).
> >
> >>
> >
> >> It's a wiki, please be editing!
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> --David
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Chris Messina <
> chris.messina at gmail.com>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> It would seem that renaming Marketing to Adoption might be a prudent
> move,
> >
> >> if it also brings with it certain criteria for success and metrics to
> help
> >
> >> gauge progress.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I think that the "Marketing" committee was ill-defined and had weak
> >> support
> >
> >> - especially from a branding perspective where there is still no
> agreement
> >
> >> on how important OpenID is a consumer brand.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> As such, I can see how the first priority should be Adoption, which
> could
> >
> >> include pushing for the test suite and improving the libraries, which
> >> would
> >
> >> be followed by a more rigorous marketing approach.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Otherwise, I agree with focusing on committees, but I also think that we
> >
> >> need to come up with a better approach to encourage progress within the
> >
> >> committees, and for them to report their progress on the openid.net
> >> website
> >
> >> and lists. I think we've done a poor job communicating with the outside
> >
> >> world what is going on with OpenID - and participation on these lists
> >> alone
> >
> >> does not suffice.
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Chris
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, David Recordon <recordond at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Yes, which is why one of our Committees must be directly focused on
> >
> >> making RPs successful. We need to disband our current Marketing
> >
> >> Committee - it hasn't done anything - and create appropriate
> >
> >> Committees with clear goals and leaders.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> --David
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Given that adoption depends on RPs actually adopting OpenID, I think
> it's
> >
> >>> important that we visibly demonstrate to the community that RPs (or at
> >
> >>> least
> >
> >>> potential RPs) have a voice.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Allen
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> On 1/14/10 7:23 PM, "David Recordon" <recordond at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> 2010 is the year where we must work on developing OpenID as a product
> >
> >>> beyond
> >
> >>> just a technology. That said, I don't think that extending the
> Executive
> >
> >>> Committee with another appointed liaison role is the correct approach.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> This year we must also push work out from the Board into Committees.
> >>> This
> >
> >>> both broadens the pool of people who can directly become involved and
> >
> >>> forces
> >
> >>> us as an organization to increase the value for non-sustaining members.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I believe that the Executive Committee should be chartered to either:
> >
> >>> 1) remain small (no more than five) and perform the execution work not
> >
> >>> done
> >
> >>> in the Committees themselves, or
> >
> >>> 2) be made up of the Officers (president, vice president, secretary,
> >
> >>> and treasurer) and the chair of each Committee to focus on tackling
> >
> >>> execution issues across the organization as a whole.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I am supportive of being more formulaic to the organizations leadership
> >
> >>> structure.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> --David
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Well, I guess I didn't wait ;-) As I said on the call yesterday, I
> think
> >
> >>> Daniel's idea is a good one. We added the technical and international
> >
> >>> liaison roles to ensure we had sufficient breadth of perspective at the
> >
> >>> executive committee working level, and I think it served us well in
> 2009.
> >
> >>> Given that we really want to continue to drive adoption and usage in
> >>> 2010,
> >
> >>> having a representative on the EC that brings the "voice of the
> customer"
> >
> >>> is
> >
> >>> a good thing. We have some new board members that bring that viewpoint
> >
> >>> and
> >
> >>> it would be great to make the most of this in the coming year.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Cheers,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Brian
> >
> >>> ___________
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
> >
> >>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
> >
> >>> bkissel at janrain.com
> >
> >>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
> >
> >>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Brian
> Kissel
> >
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:06 PM
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> >
> >>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing
> Feedback
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Thanks Don, I'll wait a bit to see how others respond before putting in
> >>> my
> >
> >>> +1
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Cheers,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Brian
> >
> >>> ___________
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254>
> >
> >>> CEO - JanRain, Inc.
> >
> >>> bkissel at janrain.com
> >
> >>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX.
> >>> Learn
> >
> >>> more at www.rpxnow.com <http://www.rpxnow.com/>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
> >
> >>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Don
> Thibeau
> >
> >>> (OIDF ED)
> >
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:58 PM
> >
> >>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
> >
> >>> Cc: 'Daniel Jacobson'
> >
> >>> Subject: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> OIDF Board Members
> >
> >>> Yesterday the new members of the OpenID Board of Directors received an
> >
> >>> orientation briefing on many of the plans and priorities we will
> discuss
> >
> >>> on
> >
> >>> our first meeting Jan 20th. While not an official meeting, the agenda
> >
> >>> previewed some of key issues the new board will consider as well as
> info
> >
> >>> for
> >
> >>> our budget development and committee process for 2010. The relevant
> >
> >>> content
> >
> >>> from the orientation briefing will be updated and included as part of
> the
> >
> >>> background material for the teleconference on the 20th.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> For your information:
> >
> >>> One of the suggestions that came out of that discussion was a
> suggestion
> >
> >>> from Daniel Jacobson that the views of relying parties can be best
> >
> >>> represented by the addition of a liaison on the executive committee.
> It
> >
> >>> was
> >
> >>> suggested that this new role be similar to that of the international
> and
> >
> >>> technical community liaison positions. These "non officer" positions
> are
> >
> >>> part of the executive committee by virtue of board convention
> established
> >
> >>> last year rather than OIDF by laws.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Board Action Item:
> >
> >>> Please let me know if you are unable to make the teleconference on the
> >
> >>> 20th
> >
> >>> and, if desired, to whom you designate as your proxy.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Don Thibeau
> >
> >>> don at OIDF.org
> >
> >>> Executive Director
> >
> >>> The OpenID Foundation
> >
> >>> http://openid.net
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> >>> board mailing list
> >
> >>> board at lists.openid.net
> >
> >>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> ________________________________
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >>>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
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> >
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> >
> >>
> >
> >> --
> >
> >> Chris Messina
> >
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> >
> >>
> >
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> >>
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
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> >> board at lists.openid.net
> >
> >> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > board mailing list
> >
> > board at lists.openid.net
> >
> > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board
> >
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