[OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)
Brian Kissel
bkissel at janrain.com
Sat Jan 16 03:16:49 UTC 2010
Great feedback Chris, agree with your points. Also agree we may still want to have separate Marketing and Adoption Committees. There is some overlap, but there are some separate activities and goals. Depends who shows up for which committees and who is willing to volunteer some meaningful time and effort. FB is all full time paid employees doing a lot of the heavy lifting, whereas OpenID is volunteers. Linux has done a lot with volunteers, but the Bluetooth SIG had to hire a lot of people to start getting meaningful adoption. To date, we have not had the widespread volunteer support of something like Linux. Welcome input from those monitoring this list on how to facilitate and enable more volunteer support. We get lots of email suggestions, but not much in the way of people tackling specific projects and deliverables.
Cheers,
Brian
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From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Chris Messina
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com>> wrote:
Regardless of how we get the technologies to work with each other, from an adoption perspective it seems like we do need to have a clear and consistent message on how RPs and end users can leverage all the benefits of OpenID, OAuth, WRAP, Portable Contacts, SREG/AX, Activity Streams, etc. in a robust and reliable way. Facebook has done a great job providing a turnkey solution for website operators and end users that provides benefits to both stakeholders. The open standards-based alternatives need to offer similarly compelling functionality and ease of deployment/use to see increased success in the market. What suggestions do folks have on how we achieve that?
I think that we need more demos and examples of how this stuff works - whether we wire up openid.net<http://openid.net> or openweb.org<http://openweb.org> as a demonstration of how this stuff can be assembled, what Facebook has done better than most is:
1) lead by example
2) work with partners to demonstrate how far you can take integrations
3) supported their product and shown continuous, active development (even if that means breaking things from time to time, it proves that they're at least changing things!)
4) have done lots of worldwide outreach to foment community with Developer Garages
5) have made the technology relevant to their audience: site and app builders, hobbyists, publishers, etc
6) have communicated clearly and consistently the value of the technology
These pages are worth providing an OpenID.net answer to:
http://developers.facebook.com/connect.php
http://www.facebook.com/connectnews?v=app_7146470109
7) have provided overwhelming value that obviated the concern about someone else "owning" the implementors' customers - instead the upside for new customers was so great that it was worth the perceived loss of control.
8) have provided desktop, embedded, mobile, and web solutions
9) have provided user interface guidelines, recommendations, analytics, and other tools to measure the success of an implementation
10) have kept the FB Connect in the news and have continued to roll out new features, improvements, optimizations, and functionality
So. We have our work cut out for us.
Especially aligning all the things that the companies pushing the open solutions have been rolling out that would make for great news stories.
Perhaps we should really just break up what would have been the marketing@ committee and create an adoption and press committees to help make concrete and divide up responsibilities for some of the things that need to happen in 2010?
Chris
Cheers,
Brian
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From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net<mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net>] On Behalf Of Allen Tom
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)
As one of the authors of OAuth-WRAP let me just say that rewriting OpenID as a profile of WRAP is a bad idea, especially from a marketing and perception perspective.
However, I do think that we need a way for RPs to access the user's data via API, and some sort of WRAP integration does seem to make sense.
Allen
On 1/15/10 8:10 AM, "Chris Messina" <chris.messina at gmail.com<http://chris.messina@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:45 AM, daniel jacobson <fragment37 at yahoo.com<http://fragment37@yahoo.com>> wrote:
While I'm not about to suggest that we wait for the "perfect" solution - I want to be conscious of the cred that could be burned if we decide, 3-6 months from now, that really OpenID should be rewritten as a profile of OAuth WRAP (let's just say) and that adoption should really hinge on getting WRAP out the door and THEN promoting OpenID v.Next on top of it.
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