[OpenID board] Fwd: [OpenID Foundation] New Poll Opened

Thu Mar 19 21:41:37 UTC 2009

Thank you David.

Is there somewhere online I could/should go to read about process so I  
don't have to raise questions like this in the future?

Brett McDowell | +1.413.652.1248 | http://info.brettmcdowell.com

On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:05 PM, David Recordon wrote:

> Hey Brett,
> There is a 14-day discussion period once the Specs Council has  
> approved the WG which occurs on the specs at openid.net mailing list.   
> There was also a discussion on the same list leading up to the Specs  
> Council vote on the proposal.
>
> I think everyone agrees that there are other user interface  
> improvements to be made, though pop-ups are a good starting point.   
> I think we should address this once the working group is created and  
> see if there is consensus there to rename the specification being  
> produced.
>
> Thanks,
> --David
>
> On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if the process regarding ballots includes "discussion"  
>> during the period the ballot is open, but I will assume it does and  
>> bring my discussion topic to the General list.
>>
>> This proposal is specifically scoped to a pop-up window paradigm.   
>> Therefore it concerns me that the specification is going to be  
>> branded "OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0" and the Working Group  
>> will be branded *the* "OpenID User Interface Working Group".   
>> Certainly there must be other approaches to improving OpenID UI.   
>> Hasn't the eCommerce industry been teaching users to never put  
>> their credentials into a pop-up window for fear of phishing?
>>
>> I would like to vote in favor of this Working Group but I cannot  
>> support it as written.  I humbly suggest the following changes:
>>
>> Name to: "OpenID Pop-Up User Interface Working Group"
>> Specification to: "OpenID Pop-Up User Interface Extension 1.0"
>>
>> Those two minor changes would signify an awareness that there may  
>> be other approaches to improving the OpenID UI, and it might even  
>> encourage some alternative proposals to come forward which will  
>> only strengthen OpenID UI down-the-road.
>>
>> P.S.
>> If I'm out-of-compliance with OIDF process please let me know and  
>> point me to the process document I should reference in the future.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brett McDowell | +1.413.652.1248 | http://info.brettmcdowell.com
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: membership at oidf.org
>>> Date: March 19, 2009 9:40:23 AM EDT
>>> To: brett at ICTprojects.com
>>> Subject: [OpenID Foundation] New Poll Opened
>>>
>>> Hello Brett McDowell,
>>>
>>> Voting has opened on the following poll -- please register your  
>>> vote before 2009-03-26.
>>>
>>> Link: https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/15
>>>
>>> Title:  Approve the Creation of the OpenID User Interface Working  
>>> Group
>>>
>>> Description: The Specifications Council recommends that the  
>>> Foundation members approve the creation of the OpenID User  
>>> Interface Working Group, as proposed below.
>>>
>>>     Name
>>>
>>> OpenID User Interface Working Group
>>>
>>>
>>>     Background Information
>>>
>>> OpenID traditionally requires the Relying Party to redirect the  
>>> entire
>>> browser window to the OpenID Provider for the user to authenticate
>>> before redirecting the browser back to the Relying Party. It is  
>>> believed
>>> that the User Experience (UX) could be significantly improved if the
>>> authentication flow occurred within a smaller popup window, making  
>>> the
>>> experience less disruptive to the user.
>>>
>>> Although it is possible for Relying Parties to open a popup window  
>>> for
>>> the user to authenticate at the OpenID Provider using the Provider's
>>> default user interface, the overall user experience can be  
>>> optimized if
>>> the OP was aware that its UI was running within a popup. For  
>>> instance,
>>> an OP may want to resize the popup browser window when using the  
>>> popup
>>> interface, but would probably not want to resize the full browser  
>>> window
>>> when using the default redirect interface. Another optimization is  
>>> that
>>> the OP can close the popup, rather than return a negative  
>>> assertion if
>>> the user chooses to cancel the authentication request.
>>>
>>> Users who begin the OpenID sign in process on a Relying Party in one
>>> language and then transition to their OpenID Provider's site in a
>>> different language may find the overall experience to be very
>>> disruptive. In many cases, the Relying Party may want to pass a  
>>> language
>>> hint to the OpenID Provider to use to display the User Interface  
>>> to the
>>> user, especially if the user is not already authenticated at the OP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Statement of Purpose
>>>
>>> This workgroup intends to produce a very brief OpenID extension to
>>> enable the OpenID Authentication User Interface to be invoked in a
>>> standalone popup window, and to allow the Relying Party to request  
>>> that
>>> the user interface be displayed in a particular language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Scope
>>>
>>> Produce an extension that allows an OpenID Provider to indicate its
>>> support of a popup friendly user interface, as opposed to the  
>>> default
>>> user interface optimized for a full browser window. The popup must  
>>> be in
>>> an independent browser window, and must not be framed by the RP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The extension will also define a mechanim for RPs to pass a language
>>> hint to the OP to help determine the langange used to display the  
>>> OpenID
>>> Authentication user interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Out of Scope
>>>
>>> The content of the user interface other than the language that the
>>> interface is displayed in is out of scope.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Specifications
>>>
>>> OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0
>>>
>>>
>>>     Anticipated audience
>>>
>>> All those interested in improving OpenID Usability.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Language of business
>>>
>>> English.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Method of work
>>>
>>> Mailing list discussion. Posting of intermediate drafts in the  
>>> OpenID
>>> Wiki. Virtual conferencing on an ad-hoc basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Basis for completion of the activity
>>>
>>> The OpenID User Interface Extension 1.0 final draft is completed.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Proposers
>>>
>>>   * Allen Tom, atom at yahoo-inc.com, Yahoo!
>>>   * Brian Ellin, brian at janrain.com, Janrain
>>>   * David Recordon, david at sixapart.com, Six Apart
>>>   * Chris Messina, chris at citizenagency.com, Vidoop/DiSo Project
>>>   * Breno de Medeiros, breno at google.com, Google
>>>   * Luke Shepard, lshepard at facebook.com, Facebook
>>>
>>>
>>>     Initial Editors
>>>
>>>   * Allen Tom, atom at yahoo-inc.com, Yahoo!
>>>   * Breno de Medeiros, breno at google.com, Google
>>>
>>> Available Choices:
>>>
>>> * Approve New Working Group
>>> * Reject New Working Group
>>> * Abstain
>>>
>>> Thank you for your participation!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> The OpenID Foundation
>>> http://openid.net/foundation/
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