[OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2)

[Jonathan Coffman]

I¹ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the technical
issues around OpenID and I¹ll say that in our experience, finding the
various libraries has been more laborious than we had anticipated.

Ie ‹ it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the Œmost
recently updated¹ library for given technologies were and having information
like that presented in a uniform or centralized manner would be wonderful.

-Jonathan


On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <david at sixapart.com> wrote:

> So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it.  Given that
> no other board members have participated in the discussion, I'm guessing that
> most board memebers don't have strong opinions on the matter.  We could
> either:
> 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and the
> community
> 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an electronic vote
> 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make a decision
> there
> 
> Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward?
> 
> Thanks,
> --David
> 
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
> 
>> Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the
>> openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com>  project up to Chris and
>> others representing the OIDF?
>> 
>> -DeWitt
>> 
>>  On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote:
>>>  
>>> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority
>>> of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's
>>> process.  This is one of the reasons why community based open source
>>> development is important beyond just corporate backed development.
>>>  
>>> I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library
>>> contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on
>>> GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone
>>> willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is.  So I'm sorry, but can
>>> we please move forward?
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make
>>> http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an
>>> OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum.  The
>>> wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's
>>> libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the
>>> Foundation's job to help fix that.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> --David
>>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named
>>>>>> Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of
>>>>>> the name ;-)
>>>>>  
>>>>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of
>>>>> Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate.
>>>> 
>>>> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an
>>>> open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were
>>>> donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There
>>>> was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being
>>>> associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license
>>>> sounded good, too.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in
>>>> terms of writing code.
>>>> 
>>>>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about
>>>>> creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead
>>>>> to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative
>>>>> feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing
>>>>> themselves.
>>>> 
>>>>  Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is
>>>> my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into
>>>> some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is
>>>> active and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps
>>>> one could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java?
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary
>>>> implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would
>>>> stipulate that it is for the same reason.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that
>>>> wasn't your question.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Johannes.
>>>> 
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