[OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2)

[DeWitt Clinton]

Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the
openid.googlecode.com project up to Chris and others representing the OIDF?

-DeWitt

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote:

> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority
> of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's
> process.  This is one of the reasons why community based open source
> development is important beyond just corporate backed development.
> I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library
> contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on
> GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone
> willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is.  So I'm sorry, but can
> we please move forward?
>
> If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make
> http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an
> OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum.  The
> wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's
> libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the
> Foundation's job to help fix that.
>
> --David
>
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us>
>  wrote:
>
>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named
>> Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of
>> the name ;-)
>>
>
> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of
> Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate.
>
>
> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an
> open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were
> donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There
> was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being
> associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license
> sounded good, too.
>
> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in
> terms of writing code.
>
> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about
> creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead
> to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed.
>
> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative
> feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing
> themselves.
>
>
> Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is
> my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into some
> large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is active
> and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one
> could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java?
>
> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary
> implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would stipulate
> that it is for the same reason.
>
> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that
> wasn't your question.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Johannes.
>
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