Re: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google C= ode (part 1 of 2)

It does appear that we not only have not built out the membership m= anagement tools for the board (it's unclear whether this was ever prior= itized or provided resources for), nor have we articulated a clear and ongo= ing value proposition to the membership.

That said, having first been on the outside as a critiq= ue of the foundation and now being on the inside, I can attest to the meage= r human resources that the foundation has at its disposal to correct these = issues.

I am open to Eddy's point about large companies ste= am-rolling the foundation, but am unclear what contributions smaller compan= ies have attempted to make that have been thwarted because of their partici= pation. If anything, the larger companies have validated the protocol in th= e marketplace and driven a great deal of value for its adoption, though not= without creating a compromised situation with directed identity where big = brands are placed in priority against self-hosted OpenIDs.

Still, there is plenty of room for members of the commu= nity to step in and organize the membership, either in the context of the f= oundation or in general, with projects like SpreadOpenID, that are not dire= ctly controlled or sponsored by the foundation.

Moreover, we have a marketing challenge where OpenID it= self isn't a product like Firefox that is easy to explain or to "s= how". Instead it requires people take the time the understand the tech= nology, what's good for and then to spend resources implementing it, an= d so the adoption cycle is longer and more involved.

Personally I'm hoping to work more on our overall m= arketing, communication and web strategy this summer, but I'm just one = person. Participation on the mailing list is one thing, but going out and d= onating time and energy, which is then surfaced to other members of the com= munity is another.

None of this negates or excuses Carsten's poor cust= omer experience, but it is important to recognize that the board is compris= ed of volunteers and only at the beginning of this year brought in Don to s= erve as the executive director. It's been five months and the lack of s= olid infrastructure beneath the foundation is still apparent, but progress = is being made. I've had it on my plate to do a "progress interview= " with Don for the blog; I'll get cracking on that today to at lea= st better surface some of the things that have been going on behind the sce= nes over the past couple months.

I hope (and expect!) that in the next few months we wil= l continue to make progress and hopefully correct the institutional problem= s that lead to Carsten's experience in the first place.

Chris

On Tue, Jun 2, 20= 09 at 11:11 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote:=

=20
Unfortunately the OpenID foundation hasn't lived up to the promises to its members, various brought to the attention of the board and previous and current execs were simply ignored. At the moment StartCom has no intention to renew its membership - I might do so as an individual...maybe.

But the foundation has been steam-rolled by the big corporations, making the contribution of smaller companies and individuals pretty irrelevant. The below issue of Carsten only highlights how this organization is run and further confirms our own impression and decision to pull out.

Regards=A0

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Signer:=A0 Eddy Nigg, = StartCom Ltd.

Jabber:=A0 startcom at startcom.org

Blog:=A0 Join the R= evolution!

Phone:=A0 +1.213.341.0390

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On 06/02/2009 08:44 PM, David Recordon:
If you haven= 9;t read Carsten's post this morning, you should.=A0 It looks like Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and th= at we still owe him $75.

I've left a comment on Carsten's blog and emailed Don, John and Mar= isa asking that we sort this out today.=A0 Is Carsten's membership differen= t than others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands?

http://notsorelevant.com/2009-06-02/about-losing-a-support= er/

Thanks,
--David

In February 2008 I happily joined the OpenID Foundation (OIDF). For
the first time it was possible for individuals to join the OIDF and I
was certainly among the first to join. While the annual membership fee
of $100 was a little high, I thought it was only natural for me to
join the foundation and support something that I believe in. This blog
and Spread OpenID are document of that.

By the end of last year the membership fee for individuals was lowered
to $25/year. So I was surprised when I got notified by PayPal in
February 2009 that $100 were transferred to the OIDF for another year
of membership, starting April 1 2009. I was a little confused since I
wasn=92t aware that it was a subscription model, that was probably my
fault, and that I was charged $100 instead of $25.

So first I cancelled the subscription - the $100 for period April 2009
to March 2010 were paid, though - and got in touch with David Recordon
and Scott Kveton who are both board members of the OIDF. Obviously,
something was wrong with the subscription model and I wanted to make
sure this didn=92t happen to other members as well. Also I wanted to
work out a way that I only paid $25 as well. Both forwarded my email
to Don Thibeau, who was appointed the executive director of the OIDF
in February.

Until March 21 I didn=92t hear from Don so I got back in touch with him
and asked about the matter. I got only a short reply, two short
sentences without salutation or complimentary close (hey, he=92s
probably busy or that=92s some cultural difference), that he was working
on the issue with Marisa Kihlthau (of Inventures). Marisa got a copy
of his reply as well.

Since I didn=92t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don
again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership
status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don=92t ask me why, though. As
you can guess, I was rather frustrated by the time and I wrote to Don
that I didn=92t care about the OIDFanymore and that he should keep the
$100 for whatever period of time my membership was good for.

Once again he replied that he was sorry and copied the email to
Marisa. He wrote another email and asked if he could do anything else
for me. I negated. Marisa also got in touch, explaining that the OIDF
was under new management (wow, that=92s news in May 2009=A0 ) and that
they were sorting the membership database, hoping things to be solved
by the end of May. I should get in touch with her if I had any more
questions.

Until today nothing happened. No way will I get back in touch with
anyone about the matter. I don=92t care anymore. However I want to make
the story public because I think it is a bad example of customer
service. I will no longer support theOIDF as it is unprofessional and
won=92t accomplish much if all issues are dealt with the same way.

I tried to support OpenID in many ways in the past and still think it
is a great concept. But why should I waste more time, energy, and
money?

Annoyed, frustrated, disappointed!
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--001636284e68e417dd046b6225ef-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 12:17:20 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:17:20 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050708000801080301090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, On 06/02/2009 09:59 PM, Chris Messina: > I am open to Eddy's point about large companies steam-rolling the=20 > foundation, but am unclear what contributions smaller companies have=20 > attempted to make that have been thwarted because of their=20 > participation. If anything, the larger companies have validated the=20 > protocol in the marketplace and driven a great deal of value for its=20 > adoption, though not without creating a compromised situation with=20 > directed identity where big brands are placed in priority against=20 > self-hosted OpenIDs. I'm not criticizing the efforts made by the big members, but I also feel = that efforts made by some of the less important board members and other=20 community members are either ignored or are going nowhere...In this=20 respect I have some testimonials received in private mails, and some is=20 obvious for anybody involved longer than 1- 2 years. Look who is=20 running the show.... However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have = been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was = Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head=20 of the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted=20 exactly in nothing. Every member has (or might have) its own reasons for joining - one of=20 the main reasons which were important for StartCom simply were ignored=20 eventually (after a nice email confirming that it's taking care of).=20 Therefore there is hardly any basis to keep the membership for the=20 company without the return in expected value. (It might be for me as an=20 individual though). Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. Jabber: startcom at startcom.org Blog: Join the Revolution! Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------050708000801080301090505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris,

On 06/02/2009 09:59 PM, Chris Messina:

I am open to Eddy's point about large companies steam-rolling the foundation, but am unclear what contributions smaller companies have attempted to make that have been thwarted because of their participation. If anything, the larger companies have validated the protocol in the marketplace and driven a great deal of value for its adoption, though not without creating a compromised situation with directed identity where big brands are placed in priority against self-hosted OpenIDs.

I'm not criticizing the efforts made by the big members, but I also feel that efforts made by some of the less important board members and other community members are either ignored or are going nowhere...In this respect I have some testimonials received in private mails, and some is obvious for anybody involved longer than=C2=A0 1- 2 years. Look w= ho is running the show....

However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing.

Every member has (or might have) its own reasons for joining - one of the main reasons which were important for StartCom simply were ignored eventually (after a nice email confirming that it's taking care of). Therefore there is hardly any basis to keep the membership for the company without the return in expected value. (It might be for me as an individual though).

Regards=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Signer:=C2=A0	Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd.
Jabber:=C2=A0	startcom at startcom.org
Blog:=C2=A0	Join the Revolution!
Phone:=C2=A0	+1.213.341.0390
=C2=A0

--------------050708000801080301090505-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 14:04:53 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:04:53 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> References: <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> --0016e645b9bef30378046b63e4cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have > been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was > Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of > the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in > nothing. > > Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be successful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be useful, it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through. This is both the benefit and risk of relying on community processes, and is not unique to the OpenID Foundation. I hope that you consider your experience with the OIDF against other experiences you've had with other similar organizations (if you interact with any) to keep things in perspective. In other words, what one member wants or sees as being important may not resonate with the entire membership and it is therefore upon the board to reflect the wider interests, rather than favoring any one member. It's certainly a challenging balance to strike, but I hope that when considering your membership, that you don't strictly evaluate the foundation's performance based on the adoption of any particular issue, but take a broader look at the overall work done by the group. Chris -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016e645b9bef30378046b63e4cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (Star= tCom Ltd.) <= eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote:

=20
However my critic is much less th= at, but rather things which should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing.

Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get= a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be s= uccessful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be useful= , it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through.

This is both the benefit and risk of relying on community pr= ocesses, and is not unique to the OpenID Foundation.

I hope that you consider your experience with the OIDF against other exp= eriences you've had with other similar organizations (if you interact w= ith any) to keep things in perspective. In other words, what one member wan= ts or sees as being important may not resonate with the entire membership a= nd it is therefore upon the board to reflect the wider interests, rather th= an favoring any one member.

It's certainly a challenging balance to strike, but= I hope that when considering your membership, that you don't strictly = evaluate the foundation's performance based on the adoption of any part= icular issue, but take a broader look at the overall work done by the group= .

Chris

--
Chris Messina
Open Web = Advocate

Website: http://factoryjo= e.com
Blog: http://factoryjoe= .com/blog
Twitter: http://twitter.com/chr= ismessina

Diso Project: http= ://diso-project.org
OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net

This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] private

--0016e645b9bef30378046b63e4cd-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 14:32:38 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:32:38 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080507040207080803050803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/03/2009 12:04 AM, Chris Messina: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)=20 > > wrote: > > However my critic is much less that, but rather things which > should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. > Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things > going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after > a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing. > > > Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get = > a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be=20 > successful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be=20 > useful, it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through. > Weeeellll, I think basic promises should be kept. It took a very long=20 time until http://openid.net/foundation/ was cleaned up. The page with=20 foundation members listing never happened. This was long promised, never = kept (for those who wanted to be listed). Incidentally I can't find the=20 page which promised the member benefits anymore, maybe that's on purpose = too. The page http://openid.net/get/ does favor only some=20 foundation/corporate members. That's unfortunate of course and not=20 satisfying for a corporate member. Carsten's issue seems to be just another confirmation that member care=20 isn't something overly important....it's simply not enough to send out=20 once a year a reminder to pay the fee - or in his case simply deduct it. = Huuuhu, without a community supporting OpenID, I believe that something=20 very important is going to get lost. Additionally I view the over-representation of the corporate members=20 overwhelming. I'd support a motion which would disallow employees and=20 otherwise affiliated to a sustaining member corporation for a community=20 seat. I'm certain this wasn't the intention originally - I believe today = that there is a conflict of interest. Your above comment seems to be=20 supportive of my impression. And some board members seem to be clearly=20 frustrated to be one out of fifteen with having to convince a 2/3 of=20 corporate and affiliated majority for their cause. Personally I didn't=20 set any goals or targets, the above could become one however :-) Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. Jabber: startcom at startcom.org Blog: Join the Revolution! Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------080507040207080803050803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/03/2009 12:04 AM, Chris Messina:

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote:

However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing.

Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be successful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be useful, it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through.

Weeeellll, I think basic promises should be kept. It took a very long time until http://openid.net/foundation/ was cleaned up. The page wi= th foundation members listing never happened. This was long promised, never kept (for those who wanted to be listed). Incidentally I can't find the page which promised the member benefits anymore, maybe that's on purpose too.

The page http://openid.net/get/ does favor only some foundation/corporate members. That's unfortunate of course and not satisfying for a corporate member.

Carsten's issue seems to be just another confirmation that member care isn't something overly important....it's simply not enough to send out once a year a reminder to pay the fee - or in his case simply deduct it. Huuuhu, without a community supporting OpenID, I believe that something very important is going to get lost.

Additionally I view the over-representation of the corporate members overwhelming. I'd support a motion which would disallow employees and otherwise affiliated to a sustaining member corporation for a community seat. I'm certain this wasn't the intention originally - I believe today that there is a conflict of interest. Your above comment seems to be supportive of my impression. And some board members seem to be clearly frustrated to be one out of fifteen with having to convince a 2/3 of corporate and affiliated majority for their cause. Personally I didn't set any goals or targets, the above could become one however :-)

Regards=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Signer:=C2=A0	Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd.
Jabber:=C2=A0	startcom at startcom.org
Blog:=C2=A0	Join the Revolution!
Phone:=C2=A0	+1.213.341.0390
=C2=A0

--------------080507040207080803050803-- From lshepard at facebook.com Tue Jun 2 14:41:44 2009 From: lshepard at facebook.com (Luke Shepard) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:41:44 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> Message-ID: --_000_C64AEAA8D0ADlshepardfacebookcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Eddy, I don't have the historical context here (I just joined the board in Februa= ry) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you have bee= n fighting for that you haven't seen come to fruition? I'm pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a ma= tter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt to= exclude. Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community advoca= te since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are= currently also corporate members. Again, I'm just trying to get some perspective on the specific problems you= 've had. On 6/2/09 2:32 PM, "Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)" wro= te: And some board members seem to be clearly frustrated to be one out of fifte= en with having to convince a 2/3 of corporate and affiliated majority for t= heir cause. Personally I didn't set any goals or targets, the above could b= ecome one however :-) --_000_C64AEAA8D0ADlshepardfacebookcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:= 11pt'>Hey Eddy,<BR> <BR> I don’t have the historical context here (I just joined the board in = February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you ha= ve been fighting for that you haven’t seen come to fruition?<BR> <BR> I’m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is mor= e a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious atte= mpt to exclude.<BR> <BR> Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community advoca= te since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are= currently also corporate members.<BR> <BR> Again, I’m just trying to get some perspective on the specific proble= ms you’ve had.<BR> <BR> On 6/2/09 2:32 PM, "Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)" <<a href=3D"edd= y_nigg at startcom.org">eddy_nigg at startcom.org</a>> wrote:<BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"= ><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times, Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-siz= e:12pt'>And some board members seem to be clearly frustrated to be one out = of fifteen with having to convince a 2/3 of corporate and affiliated majori= ty for their cause. Personally I didn't set any goals or targets, the above= could become one however :-)</SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --_000_C64AEAA8D0ADlshepardfacebookcom_-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 15:27:00 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:27:00 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> Message-ID: <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020401080409040600080101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luke, On 06/03/2009 12:41 AM, Luke Shepard: > Hey Eddy, > > I don=E2=80=99t have the historical context here (I just joined the boa= rd in=20 > February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that=20 > you have been fighting for that you haven=E2=80=99t seen come to fruiti= on? In the meantime I found the supposed member benefits which are stated at = https://openid.net/foundation/members/ In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of = Company/Organizational Membership: * Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and promotional materials * Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry events For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming=20 a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits=20 which differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees,=20 this has a hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > > I=E2=80=99m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website = is more=20 > a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious=20 > attempt to exclude. At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact = with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community=20 > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community=20 > members are currently also corporate members. > You are correct. I'm retracting my previous statement. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------020401080409040600080101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> Hi Luke,<br> <br> On 06/03/2009 12:41 AM, Luke Shepard: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:C64AEAA8.D0AD%25lshepard at facebook.com" type=3D"ci= te"> <title>Re: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control</= title> <font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;">Hey Eddy,<br> <br> I don=E2=80=99t have the historical context here (I just joined the board= in February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you have been fighting for that you haven=E2=80=99t seen come to fruition= ?<br> </span></font></blockquote> <br> In the meantime I found the supposed member benefits which are stated at <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://openid.net/foundati= on/members/">https://openid.net/foundation/members/</a><br> <br> In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of Company/Organizational Membership:<br> <ul> <li>Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and promotional materials</li> <li>Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry events</li> </ul> <br> For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!!<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:C64AEAA8.D0AD%25lshepard at facebook.com" type=3D"ci= te"><font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><br> I=E2=80=99m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is= more a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt to exclude.<br> </span></font></blockquote> <br> At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota.<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:C64AEAA8.D0AD%25lshepard at facebook.com" type=3D"ci= te"><font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><br> Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are currently also corporate members.<br> <br> </span></font></blockquote> <br> You are correct. I'm retracting my previous statement.<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------020401080409040600080101-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 16:03:16 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:03:16 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> --0016e6471b0a4b137f046b658c23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > > In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of > Company/Organizational Membership: > > - Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website an= d > promotional materials > - Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and > industry events > > > For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a > corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits whi= ch > differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has= a > hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > Are you a corporate foundation member? If so, what level member are you? If it's any consolation, besides the logo thing on the website, we really haven't done any promotional efforts, so besides the "Get an OpenID" page, there really aren't any other logos on the site. I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net set up for the OpenID community, but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there. > I=92m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more = a > matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attemp= t > to exclude. > > > At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact > with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it? Chris --=20 Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016e6471b0a4b137f046b658c23 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (Start= Com Ltd.) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org">e= ddy_nigg at startcom.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e= x;"> =20 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><br> In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of Company/Organizational Membership:<br> <ul> <li>Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and promotional materials</li> <li>Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry events</li> </ul> <br> For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!!</div></bloc= kquote><div><br></div><div>Are you a corporate foundation member? If so, wh= at level member are you?</div><div><br></div><div>If it's any consolati= on, besides the logo thing on the website, we really haven't done any p= romotional efforts, so besides the "Get an OpenID" page, there re= ally aren't any other logos on the site.</div> <div><br></div><div>I'd love to see something like <a href=3D"http://dj= angopeople.net">djangopeople.net</a> set up for the OpenID community, =A0bu= t as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there.</div><= div> =A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde= r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#= ffffff"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Calibri, = Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt"> I=92m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt to exclude.<br> </span></font></blockquote> <br></div> At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota.<div class=3D"im"></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you= articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it?</div><d= iv><br></div><div>Chris</div></div><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Open Web Adv= ocate<br> <br>Website: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br= >Blog: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</a= ><br>Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.co= m/chrismessina</a><br> <br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.o= rg</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net">http://openid.ne= t</a><br><br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] = private<br> --0016e6471b0a4b137f046b658c23-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 16:27:16 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:27:16 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080204000101060102020904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, On 06/03/2009 02:03 AM, Chris Messina: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)=20 > <eddy_nigg at startcom.org <mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org>> wrote: > > > In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with > benefits of Company/Organizational Membership: > > * Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation > website and promotional materials > * Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press > releases and industry events > > > For any corporate member this might a critical added value for > becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those > are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When > looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't > received them!!! > > > Are you a corporate foundation member? Would I complain otherwise...? ;-) > If so, what level member are you? Huuu? I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types,=20 e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per=20 https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > > If it's any consolation, besides the logo thing on the website, we=20 > really haven't done any promotional efforts, so besides the "Get an=20 > OpenID" page, there really aren't any other logos on the site. That would be a good start already. I've been asking for it for some=20 year. You can judge the "damage" caused by lack of exposure and=20 promotion by yourself. A benefit other members (and maybe non-members)=20 received during the same period. However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't=20 make it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases=20 (it's blog style these days) aren't made with the corporate members=20 included as promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this=20 benefit to hot air at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to=20 include your company name in press releases - just we don't make any PRs)= > > I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net=20 > <http://djangopeople.net> set up for the OpenID community, but as=20 > Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there. With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe=20 wrong, not sure... > > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with = it? Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to=20 understand which benefit a corporate member should have received during=20 the course of one year when comparing to individual membership. See the=20 differences yourself here: https://openid.net/foundation/members/members Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------080204000101060102020904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> Hi Chris,<br> <br> On 06/03/2009 02:03 AM, Chris Messina: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org">eddy_nigg at startcom.org</a>></s= pan> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt = 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><br> In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of Company/Organizational Membership:<br> <ul> <li>Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and promotional materials</li> <li>Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry events</li> </ul> <br> For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!!</div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>Are you a corporate foundation member?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> Would I complain otherwise...?=C2=A0 ;-)<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>If so, what level member are you?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> Huuu? I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types, e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://openid.net/foundation/= members/members">https://openid.net/foundation/members/members</a><br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br> </div> <div>If it's any consolation, besides the logo thing on the website, we really haven't done any promotional efforts, so besides the "Get an OpenID" page, there really aren't any other logos on the site.</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> That would be a good start already. I've been asking for it for some year. You can judge the "damage" caused by lack of exposure and promotion by yourself. A benefit other members (and maybe non-members) received during the same period.<br> <br> However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't make it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases (it's blog style these days) aren't made with the corporate members included as promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this benefit to hot air at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to include your company name in press releases - just we don't make any PRs)<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br> </div> <div>I'd love to see something like <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://djangopeople.net">djangopeople.net</a> set up for the OpenID community, =C2=A0but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there.</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure...<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br> </div> <div>Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to understand which benefit a corporate member should have received during the course of one year when comparing to individual membership. See the differences yourself here: <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://openid.net/foundation/= members/members">https://openid.net/foundation/members/members</a><br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------080204000101060102020904-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 16:56:29 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:56:29 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25BC2D.10001@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050809000907010505040707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/02/2009 09:05 PM, Nat Sakimura: > I read it. Very bad. Need to check. > > =3Dnat > > =20 >> Since I didn=E2=80=99t get another information until May 2 I emailed D= on >> again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership >> status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, thoug= h. If we are at it, we received an email today with subject "Your=20 membership will expire about 1 month from now." That's more than two month ahead of the actual expiration - or less then = ten month after activation of the membership. Since we don't have the=20 intention to renew our corporate membership it wasn't anything of=20 concern to us, but just in case the OpenID foundation intends to invest=20 a bit in member care, that would be another point to look at. It's=20 similar to what happened to Carsten, just different. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------050809000907010505040707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/02/2009 09:05 PM, Nat Sakimura: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">I read it. Very bad. Need to check. =3Dnat </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D""> Since I didn=E2=80=99t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don=E2=80=99t ask me why, though.<= /pre> </blockquote> </blockquote> <br> If we are at it, we received an email today with subject "Your membership will expire about 1 month from now."<br> <br> That's more than two month ahead of the actual expiration - or less then ten month after activation of the membership. Since we don't have the intention to renew our corporate membership it wasn't anything of concern to us, but just in case the OpenID foundation intends to invest a bit in member care, that would be another point to look at. It's similar to what happened to Carsten, just different.<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------050809000907010505040707-- From jernst at netmesh.us Tue Jun 2 17:10:12 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:10:12 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> Message-ID: <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> --Apple-Mail-24--607359548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are > maybe wrong, not sure... Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their memberships at the same financial level at that time? I assume that the answer is yes given that everybody is still on the board. Would be nice to hear that officially, however. And what at the foundation's current plans to release an annual report / tax return / statement of financial position / something of that nature (backwards-looking) and/or budget / business plan / ... (forwards-looking) to the membership? If there are none, that would be good to hear, too. Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. --Apple-Mail-24--607359548 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=lid.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: openid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 903 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://openid.net/pipermail/board/attachments/20090602/01979465/attachment-0001.gif> --Apple-Mail-24--607359548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://netmesh.info/jernst --Apple-Mail-24--607359548-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:12:53 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:12:53 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5@mail.gmail.com> --0016364ed3864722f2046b66856e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > Hi Chris, > > On 06/03/2009 02:03 AM, Chris Messina: > > Are you a corporate foundation member? > > > Would I complain otherwise...? ;-) > > If so, what level member are you? > > > Huuu? I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types, > e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per > https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > There are seven membership levels: - Individual - $25 - Non-Profit Organization - $100 - Organization with 1 - 25 Employees - $500 - Organization with 26 - 100 Employees - $1500 - Organization with 101 - 250 Employees - $2500 - Organization with 251 - 1000 Employees - $5000 - Organization with More Than 1000 Employees - $10000 > However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't make > it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases (it's blog > style these days) aren't made with the corporate members included as > promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this benefit to hot air > at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to include your company name in > press releases - just we don't make any PRs) > I'm not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree that as they've not been kept, they should be removed from the membership benefits. The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting adoption of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one vendor over another. Of course, there's the balance to seek between being arcane and cryptic by avoiding mentioning any OPs or RPs and thereby forcing people to look elsewhere for representative examples of OpenID providers. Hopefully as we rework the website, this will become less of an issue. > > I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net set up for the OpenID > community, but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor > there. > > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe > wrong, not sure... > I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that's why we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money has been spent! > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with > it? > > > Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to understand > which benefit a corporate member should have received during the course of > one year when comparing to individual membership. See the differences > yourself here: > https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > You mentioned asking for a specific thing or benefit for a long time that you've still not received. Do you just mean that StartCom hasn't been promoted on the website? Chris -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016364ed3864722f2046b66856e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (Start= Com Ltd.) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org">e= ddy_nigg at startcom.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q= uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e= x;"> =20 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> Hi Chris,<br> <br> On 06/03/2009 02:03 AM, Chris Messina:<div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D= "cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>Are you a corporate foundation member?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br></div> Would I complain otherwise...?=A0 ;-)<div class=3D"im"> <br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>If so, what level member are you?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br></div> Huuu? I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types, e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per <a href=3D"https://openid.net/foundation/members/members" target=3D"_blank"= >https://openid.net/foundation/members/members</a><div class=3D"im"></div><= /div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are seven membership levels:</d= iv> <div><div><ul><li>Individual - $25</li><li>Non-Profit Organization - $100</= li><li>Organization with 1 - 25 Employees - $500</li><li>Organization with = 26 - 100 Employees - $1500</li><li>Organization with 101 - 250 Employees - = $2500</li> <li>Organization with 251 - 1000 Employees - $5000</li><li>Organization wit= h More Than 1000 Employees - $10000</li></ul></div></div><div><br></div><di= v>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't make it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases (it's blog style these days) aren't made with the corporate members included as promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this benefit to hot air at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to include your company name in press releases - just we don't make any PRs)<div class=3D"im"></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm = not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree that as the= y've not been kept, they should be removed from the membership benefits= . The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting adoption = of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one vendor over anothe= r.</div> <div><br></div><div>Of course, there's the balance to seek between bein= g arcane and cryptic by avoiding mentioning any OPs or RPs and thereby forc= ing people to look elsewhere for representative examples of OpenID provider= s. Hopefully as we rework the website, this will become less of an issue.</= div> <div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;= border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor= =3D"#ffffff"><div class=3D"im"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br> </div> <div>I'd love to see something like <a href=3D"http://djangopeople.ne= t" target=3D"_blank">djangopeople.net</a> set up for the OpenID community, =A0but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there.</div></div></blockquote></div> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure...<div class=3D"im"></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div= ><div>I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that&#= 39;s why we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money = has been spent!</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"= ><div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote ty= pe=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> =20 <div>Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it?</div> </div> </blockquote> <br></div> Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to understand which benefit a corporate member should have received during the course of one year when comparing to individual membership. See the differences yourself here: <br> <a href=3D"https://openid.net/foundation/members/members" target=3D"_blank"= >https://openid.net/foundation/members/members</a><div class=3D"im"><br></d= iv></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div>You mentioned asking for a speci= fic thing or benefit for a long time that you've still not received. Do= you just mean that StartCom hasn't been promoted on the website?<div> <br></div><div>Chris<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Open = Web Advocate<br><br>Website: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://facto= ryjoe.com</a><br>Blog: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factor= yjoe.com/blog</a><br> Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chr= ismessina</a><br><br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http= ://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net"= >http://openid.net</a><br> <br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] private<b= r> </div> --0016364ed3864722f2046b66856e-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 17:14:52 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:14:52 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021714v2fd59db1j525c92a8d1606fd4@mail.gmail.com> --0016362853de59cd30046b668ca9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > >> >> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was not > answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the OIDF whose > membership anniversary was February renew their memberships at the same > financial level at that time? > > I assume that the answer is yes given that everybody is still on the boar= d. > Would be nice to hear that officially, however. > Great question =97 and one for Raj Mata as he's the treasurer. > And what at the foundation's current plans to release an annual report / > tax return / statement of financial position / something of that nature > (backwards-looking) and/or budget / business plan / ... (forwards-looking= ) > to the membership? > > If there are none, that would be good to hear, too. > I presume that this is something that Inventures will be preparing. Chris > > > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > --=20 Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016362853de59cd30046b668ca9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Johannes Ernst <= span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jernst at netmesh.us">jernst at netmesh.us= </a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin= :0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class=3D"im">On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote= :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le= ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></div> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was not an= swered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the OIDF whose mem= bership anniversary was February renew their memberships at the same financ= ial level at that time?<br> <br> I assume that the answer is yes given that everybody is still on the board.= Would be nice to hear that officially, however.<br></blockquote><div><br><= /div><div>Great question =97 and one for Raj Mata as he's the treasurer= .</div> <div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;= border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">And what at the foundation= 9;s current plans to release an annual report / tax return / statement of f= inancial position / something of that nature (backwards-looking) and/or bud= get / business plan / ... (forwards-looking) to the membership?<br> <br> If there are none, that would be good to hear, too.<br><font color=3D"#8888= 88"></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I presume that this is somethin= g that Inventures will be preparing.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris</div> <div><br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar= gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color=3D= "#888888"> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Johannes Ernst<br> NetMesh Inc.<br> <br> </font><br>=A0<br>=A0<a href=3D"http://netmesh.info/jernst" target=3D"_blan= k">http://netmesh.info/jernst</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Op= en Web Advocate<br><br>Website: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://fa= ctoryjoe.com</a><br>Blog: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://fac= toryjoe.com/blog</a><br> Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chr= ismessina</a><br><br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http= ://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net"= >http://openid.net</a><br> <br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] private<b= r> --0016362853de59cd30046b668ca9-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 17:14:57 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:14:57 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <4A25C081.1070206@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010703060502060105030406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 06/03/2009 03:10 AM, Johannes Ernst: > On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > >> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe >> wrong, not sure... > > Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was > not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the > OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their memberships > at the same financial level at that time? You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to company/organization and individual members, right? Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------010703060502060105030406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <br> On 06/03/2009 03:10 AM, Johannes Ernst: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB at netmesh.us" type=3D"cite">On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:= <br> <br> <blockquote type=3D"cite">With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure... <br> </blockquote> <br> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their memberships at the same financial level at that time? <br> </blockquote> <br> You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to company/organization and individual members, right?<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------010703060502060105030406-- From jernst at netmesh.us Tue Jun 2 17:25:45 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:25:45 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25C081.1070206@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> <4A25C081.1070206@startcom.org> Message-ID: <9A317BA3-CE44-4476-96FF-F0C8F357B592@netmesh.us> --Apple-Mail-25--606426990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'pologies for my terminology, yes, I meant sustaining. On Jun 2, 2009, at 17:14, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > > On 06/03/2009 03:10 AM, Johannes Ernst: >> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: >> >>> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are >>> maybe wrong, not sure... >> >> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which >> was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of >> the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their >> memberships at the same financial level at that time? > > You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to company/organization > and individual members, right? > > > Regards > > Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. > Jabber: startcom at startcom.org > Blog: Join the Revolution! > Phone: +1.213.341.0390 > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst --Apple-Mail-25--606426990 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=Apple-Mail-26--606426989; type="text/html" --Apple-Mail-26--606426989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">'pologies for my terminology, = yes, I meant sustaining.<div><br><div><div><div>On Jun 2, 2009, at = 17:14, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div = text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <br> On 06/03/2009 03:10 AM, = Johannes Ernst: <blockquote = cite=3D"mid:0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB at netmesh.us" = type=3D"cite">On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: = <br> <br> <blockquote type=3D"cite">With a 350K US$ budged? You must = be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure... <br> = </blockquote> <br> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on = this list which was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on = the board of the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew = their memberships at the same financial level at that time? <br> = </blockquote> <br> You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to = company/organization and individual members, right?<br> <br> <br> <div = class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" = border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards </td> = </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2"> </td> </tr> <tr> = <td>Signer: </td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a = href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a></td> </tr> <tr> = <td>Jabber: </td> <td><a = href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a></td> = </tr> <tr> <td>Blog: </td> <td><a = href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></td> </tr> = <tr> <td>Phone: </td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> = </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2"> </td> </tr> </tbody> = </table> </div> <br> </div> = _______________________________________________<br>board mailing = list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br>http://openid.net= /mailman/listinfo/board<br></blockquote></div><br><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; 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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:40:03 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25C663.4050809@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090100050604030702010805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/03/2009 03:12 AM, Chris Messina: > There are seven membership levels: I pinged you directly since I have no intention to disclose it at this=20 forum publicly, but it's a for-profit Organization. > > I'm not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree=20 > that as they've not been kept, they should be removed from the=20 > membership benefits. As they have not been kept to corporate members, what would you suggest = to compensate them? What would be the added benefits for corporation=20 members in your opinion should those benefits be removed? I can't see=20 beyond the once I listed. Why should an organization pay more per vote? (Besides that, I believe that OIF doesn't need the money from its=20 foundation members really. Incidentally, as an organization we paid a=20 higher fee than those of the sustaining member on a per employee basis.=20 Not that it matters, it's just an interesting fact ;-) ) > The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting=20 > adoption of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one=20 > vendor over another. Well, I believe endorsement happened long time ago. >> I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net >> <http://djangopeople.net> set up for the OpenID community, but >> as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there.= > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are > maybe wrong, not sure... > > > I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that's why=20 > we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money has=20 > been spent! It's good to ask publicly once in a while... I remember that from last=20 year :-) > > You mentioned asking for a specific thing or benefit for a long time=20 > that you've still not received. Do you just mean that StartCom hasn't=20 > been promoted on the website? You know what - I'd say "promotion" would be a rather strong word....an=20 overkill. But I certainly expected to see a listing of all proud=20 foundation members (corporate first, individuals after) at some point.=20 At least for those who want it (there is a flag in the membership=20 profile which one can activate, so this has been though up at some=20 point). I also liked to see the StartSSL provider be listed at the "Get=20 OpenID" page perhaps... Everything beyond would have been beyond our expectations. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------090100050604030702010805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/03/2009 03:12 AM, Chris Messina: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>There are seven membership levels:</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> I pinged you directly since I have no intention to disclose it at this forum publicly, but it's a for-profit Organization.<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div><br> </div> <div>I'm not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree that as they've not been kept, they should be removed from the membership benefits. </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> As=C2=A0 they have not been kept to corporate members, what would you suggest to compensate them? What would be the added benefits for corporation members in your opinion should those benefits be removed? I can't see beyond the once I listed. Why should an organization pay more per vote?<br> <br> (Besides that, I believe that OIF doesn't need the money from its foundation members really. Incidentally, as an organization we paid a higher fee than those of the sustaining member on a per employee basis. Not that it matters, it's just an interesting fact ;-) )<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting adoption of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one vendor over another.</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> Well, I believe endorsement happened long time ago.<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt = 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> <div class=3D"im"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div>I'd love to see something like <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://djangopeople.net" target=3D"_blank">djangopeople.net</a> set up for the OpenID community, =C2=A0but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there.</div> </div> </blockquote> </div> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure...</div> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that's why we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money has been spent!</div> </div> </blockquote> <br> It's good to ask publicly once in a while... I remember that from last year :-)<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <div><br> </div> You mentioned asking for a specific thing or benefit for a long time that you've still not received. Do you just mean that StartCom hasn't been promoted on the website?</blockquote> <br> You know what - I'd say "promotion" would be a rather strong word....an overkill. But I certainly expected to see a listing of all proud foundation members (corporate first, individuals after) at some point. At least for those who want it (there is a flag in the membership profile which one can activate, so this has been though up at some point). I also liked to see the StartSSL provider be listed at the "Get OpenID" page perhaps...<br> <br> Everything beyond would have been beyond our expectations.<br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------090100050604030702010805-- From sakimura at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 20:17:55 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:17:55 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> Message-ID: <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> Re: Foundation Web Site It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list the corporate member logo on the site. (Note: not only the sustaining member.) OpenID Japan with much smaller budget has been doing it from the outset. It is doing regular seminars and hosting other opportunities to fulfil our obligation. Taking membership means one has obligation to fulfill. Failing to do it can have no excuse. I believe the foundation is using Wordpress as CMS. I am not that familier with Wordpress, but it should be able to do it. If it is not, then the CMS needs to be changed. FYI, I manage bunch of non-profit organization sites. It really does not take much to maintain them. =nat On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > Hi Luke, > > On 06/03/2009 12:41 AM, Luke Shepard: > > Hey Eddy, > > I don?t have the historical context here (I just joined the board in > February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you > have been fighting for that you haven?t seen come to fruition? > > In the meantime I found the supposed member benefits which are stated at > https://openid.net/foundation/members/ > > In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of > Company/Organizational Membership: > > Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and > promotional materials > Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry > events > > For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a > corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which > differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a > hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > > > I?m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a > matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt > to exclude. > > At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact > with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > > > You are correct. I'm retracting my previous statement. > > > Regards > > Signer:? Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. > Jabber:? startcom at startcom.org > Blog:? Join the Revolution! > Phone:? +1.213.341.0390 > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ From jernst at netmesh.us Tue Jun 2 22:08:57 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:08:57 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> --Apple-Mail-42--589434962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So Nat: On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list > the corporate member logo on the site. > (Note: not only the sustaining member.) Why do you think that is? Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanation but it ain't me ... Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. --Apple-Mail-42--589434962 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=lid.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 977 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://openid.net/pipermail/board/attachments/20090602/fe149e48/attachment.gif> --Apple-Mail-42--589434962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-42--589434962 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=openid.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: openid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 903 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://openid.net/pipermail/board/attachments/20090602/fe149e48/attachment-0001.gif> --Apple-Mail-42--589434962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://netmesh.info/jernst --Apple-Mail-42--589434962-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 22:20:59 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:20:59 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906022220t4dfb03edx7419b9ee4f1727da@mail.gmail.com> --0016e6475d18225280046b6ad30b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, I'd like to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible place... rather than slapped on like everything else on the site. This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have to wait a bit longer. Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on the wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! Chris On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > So Nat: > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > >> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list >> the corporate member logo on the site. >> (Note: not only the sustaining member.) >> > > Why do you think that is? > > Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanation > but it ain't me ... > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016e6475d18225280046b6ad30b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, I&= #39;d like to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible p= lace... rather than slapped on like everything else on the site.<div><br> </div><div>This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might ha= ve to wait a bit longer.</div><div><br></div><div>Still, I would be curious= if we could at least feature the list on the wiki, so that we have a recor= d of it somewhere!</div> <div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, = 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:je= rnst at netmesh.us">jernst at netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa= dding-left:1ex;"> So Nat:<div class=3D"im"><br> <br> On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list<br> the corporate member logo on the site.<br> (Note: not only the sustaining member.)<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Why do you think that is?<br> <br> Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanat= ion but it ain't me ...<br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> <br> <br> <br> Johannes Ernst<br> NetMesh Inc.<br> <br> </font><br>=A0<br>=A0<a href=3D"http://netmesh.info/jernst" target=3D"_blan= k">http://netmesh.info/jernst</a><br> <br> <br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Op= en Web Advocate<br><br>Website: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://fa= ctoryjoe.com</a><br>Blog: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://fac= toryjoe.com/blog</a><br> Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chr= ismessina</a><br><br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http= ://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net"= >http://openid.net</a><br> <br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] private<b= r> </div> --0016e6475d18225280046b6ad30b-- From jernst at netmesh.us Tue Jun 2 23:41:02 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:41:02 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906022220t4dfb03edx7419b9ee4f1727da@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0906022220t4dfb03edx7419b9ee4f1727da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <C3C98A09-FAAF-4A5E-8424-3D805AAFBCE8@netmesh.us> --Apple-Mail-129--583909581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are applying the "heroic effort of an overworked individual" solution to the problem. The overworked individual being you on this subject and thank you very much for volunteering! What I'm really baffled about is that the OIDF doesn't seem to ever be able to apply any other kind of solution to any problem. The meta-problem is that "heroic effort of an overworked individual" is not sustainable and can never create something like an organization that has good customer/member service, that plans and executes any kind of sustainable campaign on anything, or, unfortunately, that has a lasting value proposition. I had thought that it was simply the old board that couldn't manage to shift gears. The new board is substantially different in composition but it still has the exact same problem. Perhaps even worse so. The question is why, and can it be fixed? Because if it can't ... On Jun 2, 2009, at 22:20, Chris Messina wrote: > If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this > point, I'd like to make sure that this list is actually included in > a sensible place... rather than slapped on like everything else on > the site. > > This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have > to wait a bit longer. > > Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on > the wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! > > Chris > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > So Nat: > > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list > the corporate member logo on the site. > (Note: not only the sustaining member.) > > Why do you think that is? > > Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational > explanation but it ain't me ... > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst --Apple-Mail-129--583909581 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=Apple-Mail-130--583909580; type="text/html" --Apple-Mail-130--583909580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You are applying the "heroic = effort of an overworked individual" solution to the problem. The = overworked individual being you on this subject and thank you very much = for volunteering!<div><br></div><div>What I'm really baffled about is = that the OIDF doesn't seem to ever be able to apply any other kind of = solution to any problem.</div><div><br></div><div>The meta-problem is = that "heroic effort of an overworked individual" is not sustainable = and can never create something like an organization that has good = customer/member service, that plans and executes any kind of sustainable = campaign on anything, or, unfortunately, that has a lasting value = proposition.</div><div><br></div><div>I had thought that it was simply = the old board that couldn't manage to shift gears. The new board is = substantially different in composition but it still has the exact same = problem. Perhaps even worse so.</div><div><br></div><div>The question is = why, and can it be fixed? Because if it can't = ...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 2, = 2009, at 22:20, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">If I had = the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, I'd like = to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible place... = rather than slapped on like everything else on the site.<div><br> = </div><div>This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might = have to wait a bit longer.</div><div><br></div><div>Still, I would be = curious if we could at least feature the list on the wiki, so that we = have a record of it somewhere!</div> = <div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun = 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:jernst at netmesh.us">jernst at netmesh.us</a>></span> = wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> So Nat:<div = class=3D"im"><br> <br> On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote:<br> = <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> It is kind of = surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list<br> the = corporate member logo on the site.<br> (Note: not only the sustaining = member.)<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Why do you think that is?<br> <br> = Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational = explanation but it ain't me ...<br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> <br> = <br> <br> Johannes Ernst<br> NetMesh Inc.<br> <br> = </font><br> <br> <a href=3D"http://netmesh.info/jernst" = target=3D"_blank">http://netmesh.info/jernst</a><br> <br> <br> <br> = <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing = list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" = target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> = <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris = Messina<br>Open Web Advocate<br><br>Website: <a = href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Blog: <a = href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog">http://factoryjoe.com/blog</a><br> = Twitter: <a = href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</= a><br><br>Diso Project: <a = href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID = Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net">http://openid.net</a><br> = <br>This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first = [ ] private<br> </div> = _______________________________________________<br>board mailing = list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br>http://openid.net= /mailman/listinfo/board<br></blockquote></div><br><div = apple-content-edited=3D"true"> <span class=3D"Apple-style-span" = style=3D"border-collapse: separate; 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I accepted. > Is Carsten's membership different than > others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands? > It's not, I guess. Carsten From sccpffm at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:22:21 2009 From: sccpffm at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Carsten_P=C3=B6tter?=) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:22:21 +0200 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> Message-ID: <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com> wrote: > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. First, there was need for a new community board member. Fine, though by now almost all nominees for the community seats were or are board members. ;) Second, is Eric voicing different opinions as he represents Google now? Or was he representing Google's opinion anyway while being a community board member? I don't want to question Eric's integrity but at least this raises questions about the independence of community board members. So I support Eddy's motion. Carsten From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 09:25:22 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:25:22 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A3F2.5060708@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050608080708040703050103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/03/2009 07:09 PM, Carsten P=C3=B6tter: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon<david at sixapart.com> wro= te: > =20 >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It looks= like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75.= >> >> =20 > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. > =20 That's extremely sad and a bad thing for an open standards community=20 such as OpenID. However the board members and executive must clearly=20 understand, that the minute money is involved, people have expectations! = Potential membership management problems might come up very soonish when = all those new memberships are going to expire. Echoing Nat's comment from earlier, there are also obligations from the=20 organizers. Making the members feel good is certainly appreciated, but=20 making them feel bad as with Carsten is really unnecessary and a=20 failure. I was the opinion that we need to let the new board and=20 administrative head (executive) have some time in order to sort things.=20 However they weren't voted/hired for a holiday camp, they were voted and = hired to get things done - with priority and urgency. Sorry guys, so far = failure all over. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------050608080708040703050103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/03/2009 07:09 PM, Carsten P=C3=B6tter: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon <a class=3D= "moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:david at sixapart.com"><david at sixa= part.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you s= hould. =C2=A0It looks like Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $10= 0 with immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. </pre> </blockquote> <br> That's extremely sad and a bad thing for an open standards community such as OpenID. However the board members and executive must clearly understand, that the minute money is involved, people have expectations! Potential membership management problems might come up very soonish when all those new memberships are going to expire.<br> <br> Echoing Nat's comment from earlier, there are also obligations from the organizers. Making the members feel good is certainly appreciated, but making them feel bad as with Carsten is really unnecessary and a failure. I was the opinion that we need to let the new board and administrative head (executive) have some time in order to sort things. However they weren't voted/hired for a holiday camp, they were voted and hired to get things done - with priority and urgency. Sorry guys, so far failure all over.<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------050608080708040703050103-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 09:27:16 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:27:16 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040807070203050402050803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P=C3=B6tter: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard<lshepard at facebook.com> w= rote: > > =20 >> Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community >> advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community >> members are currently also corporate members. >> >> =20 > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take > Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a > corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community > member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. > > > =20 So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that! Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------040807070203050402050803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P=C3=B6tter: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <a class=3D= "moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:lshepard at facebook.com"><lshepar= d at facebook.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre wrap=3D"">Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long be= en a community advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are currently also corporate members. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=3D"">I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy me= ntioned. Take Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. </pre> </blockquote> <br> So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that!<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------040807070203050402050803-- From dewitt at google.com Wed Jun 3 10:07:38 2009 From: dewitt at google.com (DeWitt Clinton) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:07:38 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> Message-ID: <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> --00163642715479672b046b74b35a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, there's a lot of history there. I was directly involved in bringing Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance of OpenID to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent Google on the board. But it was outside my day to day responsibilities at Google -- I di= d it more as an individual that happened to be filling a corporate seat sponsored by Google. Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an impression on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was elected to hold a community seat when we held the elections. After a certain point it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this as part of his real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural thing to do was hand the Google seat to him. I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been focusing m= y spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web Foundation), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I could contribute enough. If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a community seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on the board. Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to lose good people simply because of the signature on their paycheck. Probably better to simply elect community representatives that we feel are acting in the interest of the community first, and not worry so much about their employer (which as we've seen with several representatives already, is a temporary state anyway). -DeWitt On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P=F6tter: > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com> <ls= hepard at facebook.com> wrote: > > > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > > > > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take > Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a > corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community > member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. > > > > > > So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that! > > > Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org= > > Jabber: startcom at startcom.org Blog: Join the Revolution!<http://blog.s= tartcom.org> > Phone: +1.213.341.0390 > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > --00163642715479672b046b74b35a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, there's a lot of history there.=A0 I was directly involved in bri= nging Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance of OpenI= D to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent Google on the= board.=A0 But it was outside my day to day responsibilities at Google -- I= did it more as an individual that happened to be filling a corporate seat = sponsored by Google.<br> <br>Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types = of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an impre= ssion on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was elected t= o hold a community seat when we held the elections.=A0=A0 After a certain p= oint it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this as part of his= real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural thing to do was han= d the Google seat to him.<br> <br>I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been fo= cusing my spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web Foundation= ), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I could cont= ribute enough.<br> <br>If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a com= munity seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on the = board.=A0 Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to lose good pe= ople simply because of the signature on their paycheck.=A0 Probably better = to simply elect community representatives that we feel are acting in the in= terest of the community first, and not worry so much about their employer (= which as we've seen with several representatives already, is a temporar= y state anyway).<br> <br>-DeWitt<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:27 A= M, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:eddy_n= igg at startcom.org">eddy_nigg at startcom.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo= te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1= px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> =20 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P=F6tter: <div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre>On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <a href=3D"mailto:lshe= pard at facebook.com" target=3D"_blank"><lshepard at facebook.com></a> wrot= e: </pre> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <pre>Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a communi= ty advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are currently also corporate members. </pre> </blockquote> <pre>I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned.= Take Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. </pre> </blockquote> <br></div> So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that!<div= class=3D"im"><br> <br> <br> <div> <table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org" target=3D"_blank">= StartCom Ltd.</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=A0</td> <td><a>startcom at startcom.org</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org" target=3D"_blank">Join the R= evolution!</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </div></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br> --00163642715479672b046b74b35a-- From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 10:19:47 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:19:47 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26B0B3.9010308@startcom.org> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090507070209010901000802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 06/03/2009 08:07 PM, DeWitt Clinton: > Well, there's a lot of history there. I was directly involved in > bringing Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance > of OpenID to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent > Google on the board. But it was outside my day to day > responsibilities at Google -- I did it more as an individual that > happened to be filling a corporate seat sponsored by Google. > > Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types > of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an > impression on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was > elected to hold a community seat when we held the elections. After a > certain point it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this > as part of his real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural > thing to do was hand the Google seat to him. > > I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been > focusing my spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web > Foundation), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I > could contribute enough. > > If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a > community seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on > the board. Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to lose > good people simply because of the signature on their paycheck. > Probably better to simply elect community representatives that we feel > are acting in the interest of the community first, and not worry so > much about their employer (which as we've seen with several > representatives already, is a temporary state anyway). Thanks for your clarification and my memory more or less confirms this as well. Nevertheless I believe that there should be such a by-law for the benefit of everybody - including never letting such potential conflicts and accusations thereof happen in first place. I think it's simply clean governance and correct in the interest of the members (including sustaining members). Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 --------------090507070209010901000802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type= "> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff"> On 06/03/2009 08:07 PM, DeWitt Clinton: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7 at mail.gmail.com"= type=3D"cite">Well, there's a lot of history there.=C2=A0 I was directly= involved in bringing Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance of OpenID to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent Google on the board.=C2=A0 But it was outside my day to day responsibilities at Google -- I did it more as an individual that happened to be filling a corporate seat sponsored by Google.<br> <br> Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an impression on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was elected to hold a community seat when we held the elections.=C2=A0=C2=A0 = After a certain point it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this as part of his real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural thing to do was hand the Google seat to him.<br> <br> I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been focusing my spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web Foundation), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I could contribute enough.<br> <br> If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a community seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on the board.=C2=A0 Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to los= e good people simply because of the signature on their paycheck.=C2=A0 Probably better to simply elect community representatives that we feel are acting in the interest of the community first, and not worry so much about their employer (which as we've seen with several representatives already, is a temporary state anyway).<br> </blockquote> <br> Thanks for your clarification and my memory more or less confirms this as well. Nevertheless I believe that there should be such a by-law for the benefit of everybody - including never letting such potential conflicts and accusations thereof happen in first place. I think it's simply clean governance and correct in the interest of the members (including sustaining members).<br> <br> <br> <div class=3D"moz-signature"> <table cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">Regards=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Signer:=C2=A0</td> <td>Eddy Nigg, <a href=3D"http://www.startcom.org">StartCom Ltd.</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jabber:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"xmpp:startcom at startcom.org">startcom at startcom.org</a= ></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Blog:=C2=A0</td> <td><a href=3D"http://blog.startcom.org">Join the Revolution!</a></= td> </tr> <tr> <td>Phone:=C2=A0</td> <td>+1.213.341.0390</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan=3D"2">=C2=A0</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <br> </body> </html> --------------090507070209010901000802-- From sakimura at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 00:04:33 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:04:33 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Outdated Contribution Agreement Message-ID: <bf26e2340906050004h6b1dfe97qa941ed9622a57313@mail.gmail.com> --00163662e65c34587c046b94814b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow board members, legal council, and legal community: I just looked at http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/ and http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/ For people to join new Working Group, these seem to be out of date. We should remove http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf and put the new ones http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf instead. Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution Agreement when they start working on a new working group. In addition, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 retrospectively. (I hope not.) I seek legal people's advice on this. Best, -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ --00163662e65c34587c046b94814b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow board members, legal council,=A0 and legal community: <br><br>I just= looked at <a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/">http:= //openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/</a> and <a href=3D"http://openid.= net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/">http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assert= ion-Agreement/executed/</a><br> <br>For people to join new Working Group, these seem to be out of date. <br= ><br>We should remove <br><br><a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertio= n-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf">http:= //openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(= Entities)_20071205.pdf</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribu= tion_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf">http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assert= ion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf</= a><br> <br>and put the new ones<br><br><a href=3D"http://openid.net/wp-content/upl= oads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc">http://openid= .net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107= .doc</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-= agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf">http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/= paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf</a><br><br>instead. <br><br= > Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution A= greement when they start working on a new working group. <br><br>In additio= n, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 retrospect= ively. (I hope not.) <br> <br>I seek legal people's advice on this. <br><br>Best, <br clear=3D"al= l"><br>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br><a href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/e= n/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> --00163662e65c34587c046b94814b-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 19:29:18 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:29:18 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Outdated Contribution Agreement In-Reply-To: <bf26e2340906050004h6b1dfe97qa941ed9622a57313@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf26e2340906050004h6b1dfe97qa941ed9622a57313@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906071929o2d1d26ffs8f1a220795dd990a@mail.gmail.com> --0016363b85b05112ca046bcd0241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who is in charge of this to make it happen? If someone doesn't own it, it probably won't happen, even if it should. I'm not volunteering either, just asking. Chris On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote: > Fellow board members, legal council, and legal community: > > I just looked at http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/ and > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/ > > For people to join new Working Group, these seem to be out of date. > > We should remove > > > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf > > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf > > and put the new ones > > > http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc > > http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf > > instead. > > Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution > Agreement when they start working on a new working group. > > In addition, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 > retrospectively. (I hope not.) > > I seek legal people's advice on this. > > Best, > > -- > Nat Sakimura (=nat) > http://www.sakimura.org/en/ > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016363b85b05112ca046bcd0241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who is in charge of this to make it happen?<div><br></div><div>If someone d= oesn't own it, it probably won't happen, even if it should. I'm= not volunteering either, just asking.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris<br> <br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Nat Sakimur= a <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sakimura at gmail.com">sakimura at gmai= l.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Fellow board members, legal council,=A0 and legal community: <br><br>I just= looked at <a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/</a> and <a href= =3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/" target=3D"_bla= nk">http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/</a><br> <br>For people to join new Working Group, these seem to be out of date. <br= ><br>We should remove <br><br><a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertio= n-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf" targe= t=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contri= bution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribu= tion_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://openid.= net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individua= ls)_20071205.pdf</a><br> <br>and put the new ones<br><br><a href=3D"http://openid.net/wp-content/upl= oads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc" target=3D"_bl= ank">http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-fi= nal-clean-20080107.doc</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-= agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/wp-conten= t/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf</a><br><b= r> instead. <br><br> Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution A= greement when they start working on a new working group. <br><br>In additio= n, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 retrospect= ively. (I hope not.) <br> <br>I seek legal people's advice on this. <br><br>Best, <br clear=3D"al= l"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br><a href=3D"h= ttp://www.sakimura.org/en/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</= a><br> </font><br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Op= en Web Advocate<br><br>Personal site: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">htt= p://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessi= na">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br> <br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.o= rg</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net">http://openid.ne= t</a><br><br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] = private<br> </div> --0016363b85b05112ca046bcd0241-- From sakimura at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:44:07 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:44:07 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Agenda for the next board meeting. Message-ID: <bf26e2340906081844t5a3daf03wa796b9250c4bdf76@mail.gmail.com> --0016361e7f809e17dd046be07e24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. In the next board meeting, could you kindly add the following to the agenda? 1) IPR policies update status -- was supposed to be finalized by June. 2) Bylaws status -- was supposed to be finalized by June. In addition, I would like to hear the clarification on who has what responsibility and capability. In particular, I would like to hear: a) Who is responsible for controlling the contribution agreement related issues. Esp. for PAPE. b) Who is responsible for the site maintenance (such as displaying company logo and storing the executed Contribution Agreement, etc. ). c) Who is tracking the issues. d) Who is responsible for membership and general inquiry response. Regards, -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ --0016361e7f809e17dd046be07e24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. <br><br>In the next board meeting, could you kindly add the following t= o the agenda? <br><br>1) IPR policies update status -- was supposed to be f= inalized by June. <br>2) Bylaws status -- was supposed to be finalized by J= une. <br> <br>In addition, I would like to hear the clarification on who has what res= ponsibility <br> and capability. In particular, I would like to hear: <br><br>a) Who is resp= onsible for controlling the contribution agreement related issues. <br>=A0= =A0=A0 Esp. for PAPE. <br>b) Who is responsible for the site maintenance <b= r> =A0=A0=A0 (such as displaying company logo and storing the executed Contrib= ution <br> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Agreement, etc. ). <br>c) Who is tracking the issues. <br>d= ) Who is responsible for membership and general inquiry response. <br><br>R= egards, <br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br><a href=3D"ht= tp://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> --0016361e7f809e17dd046be07e24-- From will at willnorris.com Tue Jun 9 11:15:34 2009 From: will at willnorris.com (Will Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:15:34 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Carsten P?tter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It >> looks like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him >> $75. >> > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. I just got the email from John Ehrig announcing the improvements to the OpenID membership site, so figured I'd bring this back up real quick... I'm in the same boat as Carsten, having joined the foundation back when membership was $100, as opposed to the now $25. I can't seem to find the reference, but I remember someone (Recordon, Kveton?) stating that instead of refunding the $75, my membership would simply be extended to four years. My apologies if this issue has already been clearly addressed, but I couldn't find it, and the website still shows my membership as expiring in a few weeks. I would much rather take the three extra years of membership rather than any kind of refund. -will openid: willnorris.com From jehrig at inventures.com Tue Jun 9 11:21:24 2009 From: jehrig at inventures.com (John Ehrig) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:21:24 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com><402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> Message-ID: <9EFEC10B74DE2B4794BAB1EA0A66A42306EB14A1@ivmx01.lan.inventures.com> Hi Will, Thank you for letting me know about this issue and providing some of the background information. I was not aware of the issue at all and the details help greatly! I will look into it and let you know. BTW, in the future it would be very helpful to us if you use the help at oidf.org help desk for all membership questions and issues. This allows us to log and track everything. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Will Norris Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:16 AM To: board at openid.net Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Carsten P?tter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It >> looks like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him >> $75. >> > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. I just got the email from John Ehrig announcing the improvements to the OpenID membership site, so figured I'd bring this back up real quick... I'm in the same boat as Carsten, having joined the foundation back when membership was $100, as opposed to the now $25. I can't seem to find the reference, but I remember someone (Recordon, Kveton?) stating that instead of refunding the $75, my membership would simply be extended to four years. My apologies if this issue has already been clearly addressed, but I couldn't find it, and the website still shows my membership as expiring in a few weeks. I would much rather take the three extra years of membership rather than any kind of refund. -will openid: willnorris.com _______________________________________________ board mailing list board at openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 9 11:58:51 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Fwd: [board-private] FW: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email Like Identifiers References: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17E80C0A@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <4E945044-D2DF-49E2-AF6F-8760950A4A96@sixapart.com> (Moving this to the public list.) You're right Brian, this is the sort of thing for the working groups to decide and the Foundation/Board to help facilitate from a process/ legal perspective. I'll reply to the thread on General@ explaining the working group process. I think it's also worth another thread about the somewhat mythical "2.1" spec which I'll start on the Specs@ list, driving the community to make a decision on if we want 2.1 to really be a small "maintenance" spec or continue waiting for things like discovery (see http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2009-June/002886.html) to shake out. --David Begin forwarded message: > From: Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> > Date: June 9, 2009 10:47:26 AM PDT > To: "board-private at openid.net" <board-private at openid.net> > Subject: [board-private] FW: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email > Like Identifiers > Reply-To: board-private at openid.net > > FYI, I don't think it's in our charter for the board to make > decisions on these kinds of things, it's for the individual working > groups and spec committees, correct? The OIDF and board can > facilitate the process, but don't think we've historically defined a > technology specification roadmap, correct? > > Cheers, > > Brian > ============== > Brian Kissel > Cell: 503.866.4424 > Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] > On Behalf Of Santosh Rajan > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:42 AM > To: general at openid.net > Subject: Re: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email Like Identifiers > > > > I would like to hear an answer to this post from the OpenID foundation > board. > > > > Santosh Rajan wrote: >> >> >> A Vote authorized by the foundation must be conducted to decide >> whether >> Email Like identifiers will be in the core spec of OpenID 2.1. >> If that is not possible the foundation must officially announce >> whether >> Email like identifiers will be in the Core Spec of 2.1. >> >> This will greatly help people decide, how and on what to spend >> their time >> and effort, and will also ensure that their time and effort does >> not go to >> waste. >> >> I also see an urgency in this matter because ideally I would like >> to see >> 2.1 come out soon because there will be Wave servers being released >> by the >> last quarter of the year. If we can have 2.1 before that we will be >> in a >> position to offer OpenID as an alternative. Otherwise I am sure XMPP >> authentication will grow into a Federated authentication. >> >> Here is a link to show the latest plans of Google Wave. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol/browse_thread/thread/2acef1d32b4def06?pli=1 >> http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol/browse_thread/thread/2acef1d32b4def06?pli=1 >> >> >> > > > ----- > > Santosh Rajan > http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Authorized-Voting-for-Email-Like-Identifiers-tp23940149p23946788.html > Sent from the OpenID - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > general mailing list > general at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4141 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4142 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4142 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > board-private mailing list > board-private at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board-private From Michael.Jones at microsoft.com Wed Jun 10 16:34:58 2009 From: Michael.Jones at microsoft.com (Mike Jones) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:34:58 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes Message-ID: <C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7@NA-EXMSG-C118.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> --_004_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_" --_000_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes Attendees: Don Thibeau, Executive Director David Recordon Brian Kissel Mike Jones Raj Mata Absent: Scott Kveton Nat Sakimura Visitors: John Ehrig, Global Inventures 1. Legal Update Don remains on track to update our IPR policies and procedures and bylaws b= y the end of June. These updates will include changes made in response to = requests by two major companies with complex ownership structures who are i= nterested in joining the board. Don and Global Inventures are working on b= uilding a complete archive of the IPR declarations we've received thus far = and procedures for adding new ones as they come in. The OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as general counsel, rather than = continuing to rely on Microsoft funding free legal work for the OIDF. 2. Whitepapers The foundation plans to work with the security committee on publishing a wh= itepaper on best security and usability practices. Andrew Nash is chairing= the security committee and will be working on the security aspects of the = whitepaper. Other best practices and forward-looking whitepapers are antic= ipated. 3. Internet Identity Workshop We partnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner for th= e IIW participants. We believe that that was a good investment in demonstr= ating cooperation and building goodwill among the identity community. 4. Strategic Use of Funds for Special Projects Don is soliciting input for a short list of projects such as whitepapers an= d interop tests that we want to fund. Having John Bradley develop addition= al security-focused interop tests and ensuring that major implementations h= ave run those tests is one project on the radar. Another is a joint whitep= aper with the ICF on the value of having an active client to manage people'= s identity interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the community= to elicit their participation in these efforts as well. 5. IBM Representative Change Nataraj (Raj) Nagaratnam will be replacing Tony Nadalin as the IBM board re= presentative at the end of the month. --_000_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>M= ay 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>A= ttendees:<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Don = Thibeau, Executive Director<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Davi= d Recordon<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Bria= n Kissel<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Mike= Jones<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Raj = Mata<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>A= bsent:<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Scot= t Kveton<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Nat = Sakimura<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><= o:p> </o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>V= isitors:<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>John= Ehrig, Global Inventures<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0i= n; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25i= n; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig= nore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> = </span></span></b><![endif]><b>Legal Update<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Don = remains on track to update our IPR policies and procedures and bylaws by the end of June. These updates will include changes made in response to requests= by two major companies with complex ownership structures who are interested in joining the board. Don and Global Inventures are working on building = a complete archive of the IPR declarations we’ve received thus far and procedures for adding new ones as they come in.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>The = OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as general counsel, rather than continuin= g to rely on Microsoft funding free legal work for the OIDF.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0i= n; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25i= n; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig= nore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> = </span></span></b><![endif]><b>Whitepapers<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>The = foundation plans to work with the security committee on publishing a whitepaper on bes= t security and usability practices. Andrew Nash is chairing the securit= y committee and will be working on the security aspects of the whitepaper.&nb= sp; Other best practices and forward-looking whitepapers are anticipated.<o:p><= /o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0i= n; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25i= n; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig= nore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> = </span></span></b><![endif]><b>Internet Identity Workshop<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>We p= artnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner for the IIW participants. We believe that that was a good investment in demonstra= ting cooperation and building goodwill among the identity community.<o:p></o:p><= /p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0i= n; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25i= n; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig= nore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> = </span></span></b><![endif]><b>Strategic Use of Funds for Special Projects<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Don = is soliciting input for a short list of projects such as whitepapers and inter= op tests that we want to fund. Having John Bradley develop additional security-focused interop tests and ensuring that major implementations have= run those tests is one project on the radar. Another is a joint whitepape= r with the ICF on the value of having an active client to manage people’= ;s identity interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the commun= ity to elicit their participation in these efforts as well.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p= > </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0i= n; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25i= n; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><b><span style=3D'mso-list:Ig= nore'>5.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> = </span></span></b><![endif]><b>IBM Representative Change<o:p></o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Nata= raj (Raj) Nagaratnam will be replacing Tony Nadalin as the IBM board representa= tive at the end of the month.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_-- --_004_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_ Content-Description: May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes.doc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes.doc"; size=59904; creation-date="Thu, 28 May 2009 19:01:00 GMT"; modification-date="Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:32:32 GMT" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes.doc Type: application/msword Size: 59904 bytes Desc: May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes.doc URL: <http://openid.net/pipermail/board/attachments/20090610/be66b146/attachment-0001.doc> --_004_C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7NAEXMSGC118re_-- From david at sixapart.com Wed Jun 10 16:46:46 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:46:46 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes In-Reply-To: <C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7@NA-EXMSG-C118.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7@NA-EXMSG-C118.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <F0E0A5CE-7585-49E9-BD8D-18DC9EBC7C77@sixapart.com> --Apple-Mail-65-82434006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And as some progress on security best practices, Allen Tom and Andrew =20= Arnott published http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID-Security-Best-Practices =20= this week which has started a good discussion on the security mailing =20= list. --David On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes > > Attendees: > Don Thibeau, Executive Director > David Recordon > Brian Kissel > Mike Jones > Raj Mata > > Absent: > Scott Kveton > Nat Sakimura > > Visitors: > John Ehrig, Global Inventures > > 1. Legal Update > Don remains on track to update our IPR policies and procedures and =20 > bylaws by the end of June. These updates will include changes made =20= > in response to requests by two major companies with complex =20 > ownership structures who are interested in joining the board. Don =20 > and Global Inventures are working on building a complete archive of =20= > the IPR declarations we=92ve received thus far and procedures for =20 > adding new ones as they come in. > > The OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as general counsel, =20 > rather than continuing to rely on Microsoft funding free legal work =20= > for the OIDF. > > 2. Whitepapers > The foundation plans to work with the security committee on =20 > publishing a whitepaper on best security and usability practices. =20 > Andrew Nash is chairing the security committee and will be working =20 > on the security aspects of the whitepaper. Other best practices and =20= > forward-looking whitepapers are anticipated. > > 3. Internet Identity Workshop > We partnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner =20= > for the IIW participants. We believe that that was a good =20 > investment in demonstrating cooperation and building goodwill among =20= > the identity community. > > 4. Strategic Use of Funds for Special Projects > Don is soliciting input for a short list of projects such as =20 > whitepapers and interop tests that we want to fund. Having John =20 > Bradley develop additional security-focused interop tests and =20 > ensuring that major implementations have run those tests is one =20 > project on the radar. Another is a joint whitepaper with the ICF on =20= > the value of having an active client to manage people=92s identity =20 > interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the community to =20= > elicit their participation in these efforts as well. > > 5. IBM Representative Change > Nataraj (Raj) Nagaratnam will be replacing Tony Nadalin as the IBM =20 > board representative at the end of the month. > > > <May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes.doc> > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board --Apple-Mail-65-82434006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">And as some progress on = security best practices, Allen Tom and Andrew Arnott published <a = href=3D"http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID-Security-Best-Practices">http://wiki= .openid.net/OpenID-Security-Best-Practices</a> this week which has = started a good discussion on the security mailing = list.<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 10, = 2009, at 4:34 PM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div = lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"Section1"><div= style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; "><b>May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call = Minutes<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><b>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">Don Thibeau, Executive Director<o:p></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">David Recordon<o:p></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">Brian Kissel<o:p></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">Mike Jones<o:p></o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">Raj Mata<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><b>Absent:<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">Scott Kveton<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">Nat Sakimura<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><b><o:p> </o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><b>Visitors:<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">John Ehrig, Global Inventures<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; = "><b><span>1.<span style=3D"font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times = New Roman'; "> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></b><b>Legal = Update<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Don remains on = track to update our IPR policies and procedures and bylaws by the end of = June. These updates will include changes made in response to = requests by two major companies with complex ownership structures who = are interested in joining the board. Don and Global Inventures are = working on building a complete archive of the IPR declarations we=92ve = received thus far and procedures for adding new ones as they come = in.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">The OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as = general counsel, rather than continuing to rely on Microsoft funding = free legal work for the OIDF.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; = "><b><span>2.<span style=3D"font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times = New Roman'; "> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></b><b>Whitepap= ers<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The foundation = plans to work with the security committee on publishing a whitepaper on = best security and usability practices. Andrew Nash is chairing the = security committee and will be working on the security aspects of the = whitepaper. Other best practices and forward-looking whitepapers = are anticipated.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; = "><b><span>3.<span style=3D"font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times = New Roman'; "> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></b><b>Internet= Identity Workshop<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">We partnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner = for the IIW participants. We believe that that was a good = investment in demonstrating cooperation and building goodwill among the = identity community.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 17px; = font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; = "><b><span>4.<span style=3D"font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times = New Roman'; "> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></b><b>Strategi= c Use of Funds for Special Projects<o:p></o:p></b></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; ">Don is soliciting input for a short list of = projects such as whitepapers and interop tests that we want to = fund. Having John Bradley develop additional security-focused = interop tests and ensuring that major implementations have run those = tests is one project on the radar. Another is a joint whitepaper = with the ICF on the value of having an active client to manage people=92s = identity interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the = community to elicit their participation in these efforts as = well.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0.25in; line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in; "><b><span>5.<span = style=3D"font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; = "> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></b><b>IBM = Representative Change<o:p></o:p></b></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = line-height: 17px; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = ">Nataraj (Raj) Nagaratnam will be replacing Tony Nadalin as the IBM = board representative at the end of the month.<o:p></o:p></div><p = class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; = margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 17px; font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></p><span><May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee = Call = Minutes.doc></span></div>______________________________________________= _<br>board mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net" = style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">board at openid.net</a><br><a = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br></div></span></blockquot= e></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-65-82434006-- From sakimura at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 21:26:01 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:26:01 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906022220t4dfb03edx7419b9ee4f1727da@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0906022220t4dfb03edx7419b9ee4f1727da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <bf26e2340906102126g1d6fc809r42d8728277c41400@mail.gmail.com> --0016361e88c647d4ec046c0afd78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since it is a compliance issue, it need to be tackled howeber quick and dirty. My suggestion. 1) Adda page http://openid.net/foundation/memberlist 2) (Assuming this is a Wordpress page) Add a link to 1) on http://openid.net/foundation and http://openid.net/foundation/members If I had an administrator access to the Wordpress, it would be a snap. BTW, who is the Wordpress administrator? =nat On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote: > If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, > I'd like to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible > place... rather than slapped on like everything else on the site. > This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have to wait > a bit longer. > > Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on the > wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! > > Chris > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > >> So Nat: >> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: >> >>> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list >>> the corporate member logo on the site. >>> (Note: not only the sustaining member.) >>> >> >> Why do you think that is? >> >> Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanation >> but it ain't me ... >> >> >> >> >> Johannes Ernst >> NetMesh Inc. >> >> >> >> http://netmesh.info/jernst >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ --0016361e88c647d4ec046c0afd78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since it is a compliance issue, it need to be tackled howeber quick and dir= ty. <br><br>My suggestion. <br><br>1) Adda page <a href=3D"http://openid.ne= t/foundation/memberlist">http://openid.net/foundation/memberlist</a><br>2) = (Assuming this is a Wordpress page) Add a link to 1) on <a href=3D"http://o= penid.net/foundation">http://openid.net/foundation</a> and <br> =A0=A0=A0=A0 <a href=3D"http://openid.net/foundation/members">http://openid= .net/foundation/members</a><br><br>If I had an administrator access to the = Wordpress, it would be a snap. <br><br>BTW, who is the Wordpress administra= tor? <br> <br>=3Dnat<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM= , Chris Messina <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:chris.messina at gmail= .com">chris.messina at gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0= pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, I&= #39;d like to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible p= lace... rather than slapped on like everything else on the site.<div><br> </div><div>This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might ha= ve to wait a bit longer.</div><div><br></div><div>Still, I would be curious= if we could at least feature the list on the wiki, so that we have a recor= d of it somewhere!</div> <div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div></div= ><div class=3D"h5">On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <span di= r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jernst at netmesh.us" target=3D"_blank">jernst= @netmesh.us</a>></span> wrote:<br> </div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px sol= id rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>= <div></div><div class=3D"h5"> So Nat:<div><br> <br> On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, = 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list<br> the corporate member logo on the site.<br> (Note: not only the sustaining member.)<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Why do you think that is?<br> <br> Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanat= ion but it ain't me ...<br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> <br> <br> <br> Johannes Ernst<br> NetMesh Inc.<br> <br> </font><br>=A0<br></div></div>=A0<a href=3D"http://netmesh.info/jernst" tar= get=3D"_blank">http://netmesh.info/jernst</a><div class=3D"im"><br> <br> <br> <br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net" target=3D"_blank">board at openid.net</a><= br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class=3D= "im">Chris Messina<br>Open Web Advocate<br><br>Website: <a href=3D"http://f= actoryjoe.com" target=3D"_blank">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Blog: <a href= =3D"http://factoryjoe.com/blog" target=3D"_blank">http://factoryjoe.com/blo= g</a><br> Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target=3D"_blank">http= ://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br><br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso= -project.org" target=3D"_blank">http://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID Found= ation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net" target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net</a= ><br> <br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] private<b= r> </div></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=3Dna= t)<br><a href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</= a><br> --0016361e88c647d4ec046c0afd78-- From sakimura at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 17:51:37 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:37 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? Message-ID: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> --001636163c5f578d48046c1c1cae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people to find out about them. Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted right now? -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ --001636163c5f578d48046c1c1cae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi.=A0<div><br></div><div>I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth = Hybrid WG and UI WG are not listed on=A0<a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailma= n/listinfo/">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ .=A0</a></div><div><br></d= iv><div> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people to = find out about them.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Are they established at al= l? Where is the discussion being conducted right now?=A0<br clear=3D"all"><= br> -- <br>Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br><a href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/en/">htt= p://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> </div> --001636163c5f578d48046c1c1cae-- From david at sixapart.com Mon Jun 15 11:27:17 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:27:17 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> Message-ID: <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> --Apple-Mail-28-495265059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. --David On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: > Hi Nat, > > How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the > OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. > > Allen > > > > Nat Sakimura wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >> >> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >> people to find out about them. >> >> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >> conducted right now? >> >> -- >> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing list > specs at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs --Apple-Mail-28-495265059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Once the working groups are = approved and someone is willing to moderate new members on the list to = make sure they've signed contribution agreements before posting, I can = make the list = itself.<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 11, = 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div = bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Hi Nat,<br> <br> How does one = create a mailing list? At least with regards to the OpenID UI WG, we're = just mailing each other directly. <br> <br> Allen<br> <br> <br> <br> Nat = Sakimura wrote: <blockquote = cite=3D"mid:bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2 at mail.gmail.com" = type=3D"cite">Hi. <div><br> </div> <div>I just found out that = the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are not listed on <a = moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/">http://openid.net/mailman/lis= tinfo/ . </a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>To make sure equal = participation, we should make it possible for people to find out about = them. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Are they established at all? = Where is the discussion being conducted right now? <br clear=3D"all">= <br> -- <br> Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> = </div> <pre wrap=3D""><hr size=3D"4" width=3D"90%"> _______________________________________________ specs mailing list <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net">specs at openid.net</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs">http://openid.net/mailma= n/listinfo/specs</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> = _______________________________________________<br>specs mailing = list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net">specs at openid.net</a><br>http://openid.net= /mailman/listinfo/specs<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-28-495265059-- From atom at yahoo-inc.com Mon Jun 15 12:41:38 2009 From: atom at yahoo-inc.com (Allen Tom) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:41:38 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040202090208080304010005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David, I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for collecting the contribution agreements myself? Allen David Recordon wrote: > Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to > moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed > contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. > > --David > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: > >> Hi Nat, >> >> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >> >> Allen >> >> >> >> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG >>> are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >>> <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/> >>> >>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>> people to find out about them. >>> >>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted >>> right now? >>> >>> -- >>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net <mailto:specs at openid.net> >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > --------------040202090208080304010005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi David,<br> <br> I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for collecting the contribution agreements myself? <br> <br> Allen<br> <br> <br> David Recordon wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7 at sixapart.com" type="cite">Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. <div><br> </div> <div>--David</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Hi Nat,<br> <br> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. <br> <br> Allen<br> <br> <br> <br> Nat Sakimura wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2 at mail.gmail.com" type="cite">Hi. <div><br> </div> <div>I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are not listed on <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . </a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people to find out about them. </div> <div><br> </div> <div>Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted right now? <br clear="all"> <br> -- <br> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> </div> <pre wrap=""><hr size="4" width="90%"> _______________________________________________ specs mailing list <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:specs at openid.net">specs at openid.net</a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> _______________________________________________<br> specs mailing list<br> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:specs at openid.net">specs at openid.net</a><br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a><br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> --------------040202090208080304010005-- From chris.messina at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 21:30:48 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:30:48 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> --0016e6469c789e4c2a046c6fa347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is where our process I think is broken. Without a service like agree2.com to make collecting the agreements, I don't see how this can be done in a transparent, transferrable way. How have other groups managed this? Is this why our WG process is so encumbered and broken? On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> wrote: > Hi David, > > I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for > collecting the contribution agreements myself? > > Allen > > > > David Recordon wrote: > > Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to moderate new > members on the list to make sure they've signed contribution agreements > before posting, I can make the list itself. > --David > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: > > Hi Nat, > > How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the OpenID UI > WG, we're just mailing each other directly. > > Allen > > > > Nat Sakimura wrote: > > Hi. > I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are > not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/> > > To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people > to find out about them. > > Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted > right now? > > -- > Nat Sakimura (=nat) > http://www.sakimura.org/en/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing listspecs at openid.nethttp://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing list > specs at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --0016e6469c789e4c2a046c6fa347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is where our process I think is broken.<div><br></div><div>Without a s= ervice like <a href=3D"http://agree2.com">agree2.com</a> to make collecting= the agreements, I don't see how this can be done in a transparent, tra= nsferrable way.</div> <div><br></div><div>How have other groups managed this? Is this why our WG = process is so encumbered and broken?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M= on, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Allen Tom <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma= ilto:atom at yahoo-inc.com">atom at yahoo-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Hi David,<br> <br> I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for collecting the contribution agreements myself? <br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> Allen</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> David Recordon wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">Once the working groups are approved and someone = is willing to moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. <div><br> </div> <div>--David</div> <div><br> <div> <div>On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote:</div> <br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Hi Nat,<br> <br> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. <br> <br> Allen<br> <br> <br> <br> Nat Sakimura wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi.=A0 <div><br> </div> <div>I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are not listed on=A0<a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo= /" target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ .=A0</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people to find out about them.=A0</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted right now?=A0<br clear=3D"all"> <br> -- <br> Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br> <a href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.= sakimura.org/en/</a><br> </div> <pre><hr size=3D"4" width=3D"90%"> _______________________________________________ specs mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net" target=3D"_blank">specs at openid.net</a> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> _______________________________________________<br> specs mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net" target=3D"_blank">specs at openid.net<= /a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a><br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </blockquote> <br> </div></div></div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" target=3D"_blank">http= ://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>Op= en Web Advocate<br><br>Personal site: <a href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">htt= p://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessi= na">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br> <br>Diso Project: <a href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.o= rg</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href=3D"http://openid.net">http://openid.ne= t</a><br><br>This email is: =A0 [ ] bloggable =A0 =A0[X] ask first =A0 [ ] = private<br> </div> --0016e6469c789e4c2a046c6fa347-- From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 16 12:04:09 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:04:09 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <188973A2-3649-441C-BDCA-73E86CF68721@sixapart.com> --Apple-Mail-45-583877316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is one of the reasons our WG process is hard. I shared on the board@ list a few weeks ago how the OpenSocial Foundation is using a Google Docs Form submission for their contribution agreements electronically and don't think there was any opposition for our doing that here as well. I'm also starting to talk with Inventures to have them manage the actual collection and posting of these agreements. --David On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Chris Messina wrote: > This is where our process I think is broken. > > Without a service like agree2.com to make collecting the agreements, > I don't see how this can be done in a transparent, transferrable way. > > How have other groups managed this? Is this why our WG process is so > encumbered and broken? > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> > wrote: > Hi David, > > I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible > for collecting the contribution agreements myself? > > Allen > > > > David Recordon wrote: >> >> Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to >> moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed >> contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. >> >> --David >> >> On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: >> >>> Hi Nat, >>> >>> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >>> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >>>> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >>>> >>>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>>> people to find out about them. >>>> >>>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >>>> conducted right now? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> specs mailing list >>>> specs at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private --Apple-Mail-45-583877316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This is one of the reasons our = WG process is hard. I shared on the board@ list a few weeks ago = how the OpenSocial Foundation is using a Google Docs Form submission for = their contribution agreements electronically and don't think there was = any opposition for our doing that here as well. I'm also starting = to talk with Inventures to have them manage the actual collection and = posting of these = agreements.<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun = 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">This is = where our process I think is broken.<div><br></div><div>Without a = service like <a href=3D"http://agree2.com">agree2.com</a> to make = collecting the agreements, I don't see how this can be done in a = transparent, transferrable way.</div> <div><br></div><div>How have other = groups managed this? Is this why our WG process is so encumbered and = broken?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 = PM, Allen Tom <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:atom at yahoo-inc.com">atom at yahoo-inc.com</a>></span> = wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div = bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Hi David,<br> <br> I can take care = of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for collecting the = contribution agreements myself? <br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> = Allen</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <br> <br> David = Recordon wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">Once the working groups are = approved and someone is willing to moderate new members on the list to = make sure they've signed contribution agreements before posting, I can = make the list itself. <div><br> </div> <div>--David</div> <div><br> = <div> <div>On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote:</div> <br> = <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> = Hi Nat,<br> <br> How does one create a mailing list? At least with = regards to the OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. = <br> <br> Allen<br> <br> <br> <br> Nat Sakimura wrote: = <blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi. <div><br> </div> = <div>I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI = WG are not listed on <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/" = target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . </a></div> = <div><br> </div> <div>To make sure equal participation, we = should make it possible for people to find out about them. </div> = <div><br> </div> <div>Are they established at all? Where is = the discussion being conducted right now? <br clear=3D"all"> = <br> -- <br> Nat Sakimura (=3Dnat)<br> <a = href=3D"http://www.sakimura.org/en/" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br> </div> = <pre><hr size=3D"4" width=3D"90%"> _______________________________________________ specs mailing list <a href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net" target=3D"_blank">specs at openid.net</a>= <a href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs" = target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> </div> = _______________________________________________<br> specs mailing = list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:specs at openid.net" = target=3D"_blank">specs at openid.net</a><br> <a = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs" = target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs</a><br> = </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </blockquote> <br> = </div></div></div> = <br>_______________________________________________<br> board mailing = list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net">board at openid.net</a><br> <a = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" = target=3D"_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br> = <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Chris = Messina<br>Open Web Advocate<br><br>Personal site: <a = href=3D"http://factoryjoe.com">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Twitter: <a = href=3D"http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</= a><br> <br>Diso Project: <a = href=3D"http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID = Foundation: <a = href=3D"http://openid.net">http://openid.net</a><br><br>This email is: = [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private<br> = </div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-45-583877316-- From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 16 12:04:50 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:04:50 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <4A378979.7080004@aol.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A378979.7080004@aol.com> Message-ID: <144CAC4D-3C9E-4A93-A513-2321DA321F10@sixapart.com> Hey George, Yes, they're open for reading but require a contribution agreement in order to post. Mailman makes this a bit tricky since it means we need to moderate all new users so that you can receive emails but not post yourself. --David On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:00 AM, George Fletcher wrote: > Will these lists be open for reading to the community? I'd like to > keep up with what's happening in both these groups. > > Thanks, > George > > David Recordon wrote: >> Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to >> moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed >> contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. >> >> --David >> >> On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: >> >>> Hi Nat, >>> >>> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >>> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>>> Hi. >>>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >>>> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>>> people to find out about them. >>>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >>>> conducted right now? >>>> -- >>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> specs mailing list >>>> specs at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net <mailto:specs at openid.net> >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> >> = >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > From bkissel at janrain.com Wed Jun 17 09:41:25 2009 From: bkissel at janrain.com (Brian Kissel) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:41:25 -0400 Subject: [OpenID board] Update on Kantara Message-ID: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> --_000_419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72VMBX107ihoste_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=3D104&STORY= =3D/www/story/06-17-2009/0005045549&EDATE=3D Kantara Initiative Reshapes Global Identity Landscape Based on Industry-Wid= e Collaboration, Announces Initial Focus Areas Representatives from Internet Society and Oracle elected to leadership posi= tions as growing membership base works to bridge identity technologies, ini= tiatives and organizations WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 45 organizations from the global= identity and Internet communities today announced the launch of Kantara In= itiative, a new organization formed to solve the harmonization and interope= rability challenges that currently exist among identity-enabled enterprise,= Web 2.0 and Web-based applications and services. Kantara Initiative has be= en founded to collaboratively foster the innovation required for broad adop= tion of interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions= and fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 initial wor= k and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing Kantara Initiativ= e community. Kantara Initiative will hold a public webcast to overview the = new organization on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT (3:00pm UTC). The launch of Kantara Initiative comes after a year of strategic planning i= nvolving stakeholders representing the entire identity ecosystem. This plan= ning focused on how to best move the industry forward as the enterprise ide= ntity landscape continues to evolve and use of social networking and Web 2.= 0 applications rapidly proliferates, with growing interaction between these= three markets driving new use cases and identity requirements. With zero b= arriers to participation and founding principles based on transparency, inc= lusion, empowerment, innovation, collaboration and openness, members of the= community are leveraging the successes and experiences of each other to dr= ive holistic, interoperable and trusted identity solutions into the global = marketplace. "The identity product and service market grows more complex every month, an= d as the market gets more moving parts, there are more and more requirement= s for all those parts to work together. The parts aren't going to work toge= ther unless the part makers work together -- and that's why today's announc= ement is important," said Bob Blakley, principal analyst, The Burton Group.= "The Kantara Initiative is helping to bridge identity initiatives and orga= nizations, which can help set the stage for better collaboration in the glo= bal identity sector." Board of Trustees and Leadership Council - Fostering Innovation and Collabo= ration Based on a Bicameral Governance Model The Kantara Initiative has been established based on a bicameral governance= model where the Board of Trustees and Leadership Council work hand-in-hand= as peers in steering the direction of the organization. The bicameral mode= l ensures that all members and participants can have a voice within Kantara= Initiative. With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president Oracle Identity Managemen= t, has been elected president of the 2009 Kantara Initiative Board of Trust= ees and J. Trent Adams, outreach specialist, trust & identity, Internet Soc= iety, has been elected chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Tr= ustee members include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Invest= ments, Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. Representativ= es from Intel and the New Zealand government have Leadership Council seats = on the Board of Trustees. According to Sullivan, "The problems the global identity industry faces tod= ay are not just about technology, but rather a combination of business poli= cy and privacy requirements, balanced against interoperability, usability, = as well as technology harmonization. All of these issues need to be address= ed for identity-enabled solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage = their benefits. Kantara Initiative is uniquely positioned to address these = needs." A Holistic View - Technology, Policy and Proven Interoperability The Kantara Initiative structure has been designed to foster the developmen= t of new identity-related technology and policy initiatives from initial pr= oof-of-concept and incubation, to go-to-market and long-term adoption strat= egies. Existing projects moving into Kantara Initiative will benefit from a= dditional community input which will include identifying new use cases, sup= port for adding functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperabili= ty with other projects, initiatives and technologies. All output from Kantara Initiative will be based on open standards with the= goal of ensuring end user convenience, security and privacy. A commitment = to open standards means the Kantara Initiative community will collaborate o= n projects that make use of all of the identity frameworks, protocols and s= pecifications in the marketplace today. This means solutions could be built= based on one or a combination of several IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, Information Car= d, OAuth, OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML and XDI standards. Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - Nearly 20 Work and Discussion Groups = in Progress Today The Kantara Initiative name, which is Swahili for "bridge" and has Arabic r= oots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA Conference and since= then members of the identity community have proposed nearly 20 initial wor= k and discussion groups. All groups are open to every Kantara Initiative me= mber as well as to the public, and anyone can suggest a new group to the Le= adership Council at any time. Groups are formed by members and participants= to address common issues and problems related to specific industries. Proposed groups, which are being approved on an ongoing basis by the Leader= ship Council, include Concordia Use Cases, eGovernment, Federated Identity = Model Agreement & Commentary (FIMAC), Health Identity and Assurance, Identi= ty Assurance and Accreditation, Identity Provider Selection, Identity Theft= Prevention, ID-WSF Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Ide= ntity Selector, Multi-Protocol Relying Party Deployment, Privacy and Public= Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information Technology an= d Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all of the groups in pr= ogress is available at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D6 "It's clear that Kantara Initiative brings together the right mix of collab= orators to help shepherd the next generation of identity solutions. Specifi= cally, our goal is to facilitate the development of solutions that are inte= roperable, secure and privacy-respecting. And importantly, the work is bein= g done in an open and transparent fashion," said Adams. "Collaboration betw= een identity communities and initiatives within Kantara Initiative will lea= d to more trusted identity-enabled applications and services. This fits squ= arely into the Internet Society vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the c= ontinued development and adoption of Internet technologies includes a broad= range of participants with dispersed ownership and control." About Kantara Initiative Kantara Initiative has been formed by Concordia Project, DataPortablity Pro= ject, Information Card Foundation, Internet Society, Liberty Alliance, Open= Liberty.org and XDI.org. The Kantara Initiative membership structure is uni= que in that it has been organized to ensure that there are zero barriers to= participation. Membership levels allow for maximum industry-wide participa= tion and include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which individu= als and organizations join depending on the size of the organization and ty= pe of desired participation. The Kantara Initiative membership structure, l= evels, fees and governance model are outlined at http://kantarainitiative.o= rg/wordpress/?page_id=3D8 . A complete membership and chair list is availab= le at http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members. About the June 24 Kantara Initiative Public Webcast Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive director, Kantara Initiative, Roger Sul= livan and J.Trent Adams, the public webcast, Kantara Initiative, Shaping th= e Future of Digital Identity, takes place on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am = US PT. The one-hour event will provide participants with an overview of Kan= tara Initiative including a review of goals, structure and opportunities fo= r all members of the global identity community to participate in the organi= zation. Registration and more information is available at http://tinyurl.co= m/nsw3n5 Follow Kantara Initiative (#Kantara) on Twitter: http://twitter.com/KantaraNews Follow Kantara Initiative on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative Follow Kantara Initiative on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/ Follow Kantara Initiative on SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative Follow the Kantara Initiative Blog: http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D29 CONTACT: Russ DeVeau Kantara Initiative www.kantarainitiative.org Mobile: 908-251-1549 Office - 954-530-2850 russd at projectliberty.org<mailto:russd at projectliberty.org> russdeveau at comcast.net<mailto:russdeveau at comcast.net> Cheers, Brian ___________ Brian Kissel<http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254> CEO, JanRain - OpenID-enable your websites, customers, partners, and employ= ees 5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite 375, Portland, OR 97239 Email: bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com> Cell: 503.866.44= 24 Fax: 503.296.5502 --_000_419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72VMBX107ihoste_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr= osoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:= //www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal>FYI <a href=3D"http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=3D104&am= p;STORY=3D/www/story/06-17-2009/0005045549&EDATE">http://news.prnewswir= e.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=3D104&STORY=3D/www/story/06-17-20= 09/0005045549&EDATE</a>=3D <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 wi= dth=3D649 style=3D'width:486.75pt'> <tr> <td style=3D'padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'> <p class=3DMsoNormal>Kantara Initiative Reshapes Global Identity Landscap= e Based on Industry-Wide Collaboration, Announces Initial Focus Areas<span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p> </td> </tr> </table> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 wi= dth=3D649 style=3D'width:486.75pt'> <tr> <td style=3D'padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td> </tr> </table> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span><= /p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D0 style=3D= 'width:0in'> <tr> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:.75pt 15.0pt .75pt .75pt' id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset1"></td> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:.75pt 15.0pt .75pt .75pt' id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset2"></td> <td valign=3Dbottom style=3D'padding:.75pt 15.0pt .75pt .75pt' id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset3"></td> </tr> </table> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'display:none'><o:p> </o:p></span><= /p> <table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D649 style= =3D'width:486.75pt'> <tr id=3D"uc_template_trSubHead"> <td width=3D645 style=3D'width:483.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt 6.0pt .75pt'> <p class=3DMsoNormal> <span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p><= /span></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width=3D645 style=3D'width:483.75pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>Representatives from Internet Society and Oracle elected to leadership positions as growing membership base works t= o bridge identity technologies, initiatives and organizations<o:p></o:p></p= > <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearl= y 45 organizations from the global identity and Internet communities today announced the launch of Kantara Initiative, a new organization formed to solve the harmonization and interoperability challenges that currently ex= ist among identity-enabled enterprise, Web 2.0 and Web-based applications and services. Kantara Initiative has been founded to collaboratively foster t= he innovation required for broad adoption of interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions and fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing Kantara Initiative community. Kantara Initiative = will hold a public webcast to overview the new organization on Wednesday, June= , 24 at 8:00am US PT (3:00pm UTC). <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>The launch of Kantara Initiative comes af= ter a year of strategic planning involving stakeholders representing the entire identity ecosystem. This planning focused on how to best move the industr= y forward as the enterprise identity landscape continues to evolve and use = of social networking and Web 2.0 applications rapidly proliferates, with gro= wing interaction between these three markets driving new use cases and identit= y requirements. With zero barriers to participation and founding principles based on transparency, inclusion, empowerment, innovation, collaboration = and openness, members of the community are leveraging the successes and experiences of each other to drive holistic, interoperable and trusted identity solutions into the global marketplace. <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>"The identity product and service ma= rket grows more complex every month, and as the market gets more moving parts, there are more and more requirements for all those parts to work together= . The parts aren't going to work together unless the part makers work toget= her -- and that's why today's announcement is important," said Bob Blakl= ey, principal analyst, The Burton Group. "The Kantara Initiative is help= ing to bridge identity initiatives and organizations, which can help set the stage for better collaboration in the global identity sector."<o:p><= /o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'><b>Board of Trustees and Leadership Counc= il - Fostering Innovation and Collaboration Based on a Bicameral Governance Mo= del</b><o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>The Kantara Initiative has been establish= ed based on a bicameral governance model where the Board of Trustees and Leadership Council work hand-in-hand as peers in steering the direction o= f the organization. The bicameral model ensures that all members and participan= ts can have a voice within Kantara Initiative. <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president Oracle Identity Management, has been elected president of the 2= 009 Kantara Initiative Board of Trustees and J. Trent Adams, outreach special= ist, trust & identity, Internet Society, has been elected chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Trustee members include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Investments, Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. Representatives from Intel and the New Zeala= nd government have Leadership Council seats on the Board of Trustees.<o:p></= o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>According to Sullivan, "The problems= the global identity industry faces today are not just about technology, but rather a combination of business policy and privacy requirements, balance= d against interoperability, usability, as well as technology harmonization.= All of these issues need to be addressed for identity-enabled solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage their benefits. Kantara Initiative = is uniquely positioned to address these needs."<o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'><b>A Holistic View - Technology, Policy a= nd Proven Interoperability </b><o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>The Kantara Initiative structure has been designed to foster the development of new identity-related technology and policy initiatives from initial proof-of-concept and incubation, to go-to-market and long-term adoption strategies. Existing projects moving = into Kantara Initiative will benefit from additional community input which wil= l include identifying new use cases, support for adding functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperability with other projects, initiativ= es and technologies. <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>All output from Kantara Initiative will b= e based on open standards with the goal of ensuring end user convenience, security and privacy. A commitment to open standards means the Kantara Initiative community will collaborate on projects that make use of all of= the identity frameworks, protocols and specifications in the marketplace toda= y. This means solutions could be built based on one or a combination of seve= ral IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, Information Card, OAuth, OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML a= nd XDI standards.<o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'><b>Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - = Nearly 20 Work and Discussion Groups in Progress Today</b><o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>The Kantara Initiative name, which is Swa= hili for "bridge" and has Arabic roots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA Conference and since then members of the identity community have proposed nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups. All groups are open to every Kantara Initiative member as well as= to the public, and anyone can suggest a new group to the Leadership Council = at any time. Groups are formed by members and participants to address common issues and problems related to specific industries. <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>Proposed groups, which are being approved= on an ongoing basis by the Leadership Council, include Concordia Use Cases, eGovernment, Federated Identity Model Agreement & Commentary (FIMAC), Health Identity and Assurance, Identity Assurance and Accreditation, Iden= tity Provider Selection, Identity Theft Prevention, ID-WSF Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Identity Selector, Multi-Protocol Rely= ing Party Deployment, Privacy and Public Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information Technology and Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all of the groups in progress is available at <u><a href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D6" target=3D"_n= ew">http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D6</a></u> <o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>"It's clear that Kantara Initiative = brings together the right mix of collaborators to help shepherd the next generat= ion of identity solutions. Specifically, our goal is to facilitate the develo= pment of solutions that are interoperable, secure and privacy-respecting. And importantly, the work is being done in an open and transparent fashion,&q= uot; said Adams. "Collaboration between identity communities and initiati= ves within Kantara Initiative will lead to more trusted identity-enabled applications and services. This fits squarely into the Internet Society vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the continued development and adopt= ion of Internet technologies includes a broad range of participants with dispersed ownership and control."<o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'><u>About Kantara Initiative</u><o:p></o:p= ></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>Kantara Initiative has been formed by Con= cordia Project, DataPortablity Project, Information Card Foundation, Internet Society, Liberty Alliance, OpenLiberty.org and XDI.org. The Kantara Initi= ative membership structure is unique in that it has been organized to ensure th= at there are zero barriers to participation. Membership levels allow for max= imum industry-wide participation and include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which individuals and organizations join depending on the siz= e of the organization and type of desired participation. The Kantara Initiativ= e membership structure, levels, fees and governance model are outlined at <= u><a href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D8" target=3D"_n= ew">http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D8</a></u> . A complete membership and chair list is available at <u><a href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Member= s" target=3D"_new">http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Curren= t+Members</a></u>.<o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'><u>About the June 24 Kantara Initiative P= ublic Webcast</u><o:p></o:p></p> <p style=3D'vertical-align:top'>Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive direc= tor, Kantara Initiative, Roger Sullivan and J.Trent Adams, the public webcast,= <i>Kantara Initiative, Shaping the Future of Digital Identity,</i> takes place on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT. The one-hour event will provide participants with an overview of Kantara Initiative including a review of goals, structure and opportunities for all members of the global identity community to participate in the organization. Registration and more information is available at <u><a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5" target=3D"_new">http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5</a></u><o:p></o:p></p> <pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> Follow Kantara Initi= ative (#Kantara) on Twitter:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/K= antaraNews" target=3D"_new">http://twitter.com/KantaraNews</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'> Follow Kantara Initiative on YouTube:<o:p></o:p><= /pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative" target=3D"_new">ht= tp://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'> Follow Kantara Initiative on Flickr:<o:p></o:p></= pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/" target=3D"_new">= http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'> Follow Kantara Initiative on SlideShare:<o:p></o:= p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative" target=3D"_new">http= ://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'> Follow the Kantara Initiative Blog:<o:p></o:p></p= re><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D29" target=3D"_= new">http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D29</a><o:p></o:p></p= re><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> = ; CONTACT:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align: top'> Russ DeVeau<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertica= l-align:top'> Kantara Initiative<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> www.kantarainitiative.org= <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> Mobile: 908-251-1549<o:p>= </o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> Office - 954-530-2850<o:p= ></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"mailto:russd at p= rojectliberty.org">russd at projectliberty.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'vertical-align:top'> <a href=3D"mailto:russdev= eau at comcast.net">russdeveau at comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre></td> </tr> </table> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></= p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:navy'><br> Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:navy'>___________</span></b><s= pan style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:navy'><a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254"><span style=3D'color:blue;tex= t-decoration: none'>Brian Kissel</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:navy'>CEO, JanRain - </span></= b><b><i><span style=3D'color:#333399'>OpenID-enable your websites, customers, partners, a= nd employees</span></i></b><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:navy'>5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite= 375, Portland, OR 97239<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:navy'>Email</span></b><span style=3D'color:navy'>: <a href=3D"mailto:bkissel at janrain.com"><span style=3D'color:navy'>bkissel at janrain.com</span></a> = <b>Cell</b>: 503.866.4424 <b>Fax</b>: 503.296.5502<o:p></o:p></s= pan></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> </body> </html> --_000_419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72VMBX107ihoste_-- From david at sixapart.com Wed Jun 17 11:28:34 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:28:34 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Update on Kantara In-Reply-To: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> References: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <90F917B3-710B-47B1-A968-D8DDDE5330CD@sixapart.com> --Apple-Mail-58-668142159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061709-intel-oracle-paypal-back-id.html . On Jun 17, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Brian Kissel wrote: > FYI http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-17-2009/0005045549&EDATE= > > Kantara Initiative Reshapes Global Identity Landscape Based on > Industry-Wide Collaboration, Announces Initial Focus Areas > > > Representatives from Internet Society and Oracle elected to > leadership positions as growing membership base works to bridge > identity technologies, initiatives and organizations > > WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 45 organizations from the > global identity and Internet communities today announced the launch > of Kantara Initiative, a new organization formed to solve the > harmonization and interoperability challenges that currently exist > among identity-enabled enterprise, Web 2.0 and Web-based > applications and services. Kantara Initiative has been founded to > collaboratively foster the innovation required for broad adoption of > interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions > and fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 > initial work and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing > Kantara Initiative community. Kantara Initiative will hold a public > webcast to overview the new organization on Wednesday, June, 24 at > 8:00am US PT (3:00pm UTC). > > The launch of Kantara Initiative comes after a year of strategic > planning involving stakeholders representing the entire identity > ecosystem. This planning focused on how to best move the industry > forward as the enterprise identity landscape continues to evolve and > use of social networking and Web 2.0 applications rapidly > proliferates, with growing interaction between these three markets > driving new use cases and identity requirements. With zero barriers > to participation and founding principles based on transparency, > inclusion, empowerment, innovation, collaboration and openness, > members of the community are leveraging the successes and > experiences of each other to drive holistic, interoperable and > trusted identity solutions into the global marketplace. > > "The identity product and service market grows more complex every > month, and as the market gets more moving parts, there are more and > more requirements for all those parts to work together. The parts > aren't going to work together unless the part makers work together > -- and that's why today's announcement is important," said Bob > Blakley, principal analyst, The Burton Group. "The Kantara > Initiative is helping to bridge identity initiatives and > organizations, which can help set the stage for better collaboration > in the global identity sector." > > Board of Trustees and Leadership Council - Fostering Innovation and > Collaboration Based on a Bicameral Governance Model > > The Kantara Initiative has been established based on a bicameral > governance model where the Board of Trustees and Leadership Council > work hand-in-hand as peers in steering the direction of the > organization. The bicameral model ensures that all members and > participants can have a voice within Kantara Initiative. > > With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president Oracle Identity > Management, has been elected president of the 2009 Kantara > Initiative Board of Trustees and J. Trent Adams, outreach > specialist, trust & identity, Internet Society, has been elected > chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Trustee members > include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Investments, > Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. > Representatives from Intel and the New Zealand government have > Leadership Council seats on the Board of Trustees. > > According to Sullivan, "The problems the global identity industry > faces today are not just about technology, but rather a combination > of business policy and privacy requirements, balanced against > interoperability, usability, as well as technology harmonization. > All of these issues need to be addressed for identity-enabled > solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage their benefits. > Kantara Initiative is uniquely positioned to address these needs." > > A Holistic View - Technology, Policy and Proven Interoperability > > The Kantara Initiative structure has been designed to foster the > development of new identity-related technology and policy > initiatives from initial proof-of-concept and incubation, to go-to- > market and long-term adoption strategies. Existing projects moving > into Kantara Initiative will benefit from additional community input > which will include identifying new use cases, support for adding > functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperability with > other projects, initiatives and technologies. > > All output from Kantara Initiative will be based on open standards > with the goal of ensuring end user convenience, security and > privacy. A commitment to open standards means the Kantara Initiative > community will collaborate on projects that make use of all of the > identity frameworks, protocols and specifications in the marketplace > today. This means solutions could be built based on one or a > combination of several IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, Information Card, OAuth, > OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML and XDI standards. > > Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - Nearly 20 Work and Discussion > Groups in Progress Today > > The Kantara Initiative name, which is Swahili for "bridge" and has > Arabic roots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA > Conference and since then members of the identity community have > proposed nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups. All groups > are open to every Kantara Initiative member as well as to the > public, and anyone can suggest a new group to the Leadership Council > at any time. Groups are formed by members and participants to > address common issues and problems related to specific industries. > > Proposed groups, which are being approved on an ongoing basis by the > Leadership Council, include Concordia Use Cases, eGovernment, > Federated Identity Model Agreement & Commentary (FIMAC), Health > Identity and Assurance, Identity Assurance and Accreditation, > Identity Provider Selection, Identity Theft Prevention, ID-WSF > Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Identity > Selector, Multi-Protocol Relying Party Deployment, Privacy and > Public Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information > Technology and Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all > of the groups in progress is available at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=6 > > "It's clear that Kantara Initiative brings together the right mix of > collaborators to help shepherd the next generation of identity > solutions. Specifically, our goal is to facilitate the development > of solutions that are interoperable, secure and privacy-respecting. > And importantly, the work is being done in an open and transparent > fashion," said Adams. "Collaboration between identity communities > and initiatives within Kantara Initiative will lead to more trusted > identity-enabled applications and services. This fits squarely into > the Internet Society vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the > continued development and adoption of Internet technologies includes > a broad range of participants with dispersed ownership and control." > > About Kantara Initiative > > Kantara Initiative has been formed by Concordia Project, > DataPortablity Project, Information Card Foundation, Internet > Society, Liberty Alliance, OpenLiberty.org and XDI.org. The Kantara > Initiative membership structure is unique in that it has been > organized to ensure that there are zero barriers to participation. > Membership levels allow for maximum industry-wide participation and > include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which > individuals and organizations join depending on the size of the > organization and type of desired participation. The Kantara > Initiative membership structure, levels, fees and governance model > are outlined at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=8 . > A complete membership and chair list is available athttp://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members > . > > About the June 24 Kantara Initiative Public Webcast > > Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive director, Kantara Initiative, > Roger Sullivan and J.Trent Adams, the public webcast, Kantara > Initiative, Shaping the Future of Digital Identity, takes place on > Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT. The one-hour event will provide > participants with an overview of Kantara Initiative including a > review of goals, structure and opportunities for all members of the > global identity community to participate in the organization. > Registration and more information is available at http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5 > > Follow Kantara Initiative (#Kantara) on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/KantaraNews > > Follow Kantara Initiative on YouTube: > http://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative > > Follow Kantara Initiative on Flickr: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/ > > Follow Kantara Initiative on SlideShare: > http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative > > Follow the Kantara Initiative Blog: > http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=29 > > > CONTACT: > > Russ DeVeau > Kantara Initiative > www.kantarainitiative.org > Mobile: 908-251-1549 > Office - 954-530-2850 > russd at projectliberty.org > russdeveau at comcast.net > > > Cheers, > > Brian > ___________ > > Brian Kissel > CEO, JanRain - OpenID-enable your websites, customers, partners, and > employees > 5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite 375, Portland, OR 97239 > Email: bkissel at janrain.com Cell: 503.866.4424 Fax: > 503.296.5502 > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board --Apple-Mail-58-668142159 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">And <a = href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061709-intel-oracle-paypal-b= ack-id.html">http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061709-intel-oracle-pay= pal-back-id.html</a>.<div><br><div><div>On Jun 17, 2009, at 9:41 AM, = Brian Kissel wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; 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"><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"bottom" = id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset1" style=3D"padding-top: 0.75pt; = padding-right: 15pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; = "></td><td valign=3D"bottom" id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset2" = style=3D"padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 15pt; padding-bottom: = 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "></td><td valign=3D"bottom" = id=3D"uc_template_td_ENRAsset3" style=3D"padding-top: 0.75pt; = padding-right: 15pt; padding-bottom: 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; = "></td></tr></tbody></table><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right: = 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "></p><table = class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"649" = style=3D"width: 486.75pt; "><tbody><tr id=3D"uc_template_trSubHead"><td = width=3D"645" style=3D"width: 483.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; = padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: 6pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><div = style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; = font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: = 0.0001pt; "> <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; = "><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr><td width=3D"645" style=3D"width: = 483.75pt; padding-top: 0.75pt; padding-right: 0.75pt; padding-bottom: = 0.75pt; padding-left: 0.75pt; "><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">Representatives from Internet Society and = Oracle elected to leadership positions as growing membership base works = to bridge identity technologies, initiatives and = organizations<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; ">WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 45 = organizations from the global identity and Internet communities today = announced the launch of Kantara Initiative, a new organization formed to = solve the harmonization and interoperability challenges that currently = exist among identity-enabled enterprise, Web 2.0 and Web-based = applications and services. Kantara Initiative has been founded to = collaboratively foster the innovation required for broad adoption of = interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions and = fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 initial work = and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing Kantara = Initiative community. Kantara Initiative will hold a public webcast to = overview the new organization on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT = (3:00pm UTC).<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; ">The launch of Kantara Initiative comes after a = year of strategic planning involving stakeholders representing the = entire identity ecosystem. This planning focused on how to best move the = industry forward as the enterprise identity landscape continues to = evolve and use of social networking and Web 2.0 applications rapidly = proliferates, with growing interaction between these three markets = driving new use cases and identity requirements. With zero barriers to = participation and founding principles based on transparency, inclusion, = empowerment, innovation, collaboration and openness, members of the = community are leveraging the successes and experiences of each other to = drive holistic, interoperable and trusted identity solutions into the = global marketplace.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">"The identity product and service market = grows more complex every month, and as the market gets more moving = parts, there are more and more requirements for all those parts to work = together. The parts aren't going to work together unless the part makers = work together -- and that's why today's announcement is important," said = Bob Blakley, principal analyst, The Burton Group. "The Kantara = Initiative is helping to bridge identity initiatives and organizations, = which can help set the stage for better collaboration in the global = identity sector."<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; "><b>Board of Trustees and Leadership = Council - Fostering Innovation and Collaboration Based on a Bicameral = Governance Model</b><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">The Kantara Initiative has been = established based on a bicameral governance model where the Board of = Trustees and Leadership Council work hand-in-hand as peers in steering = the direction of the organization. The bicameral model ensures that all = members and participants can have a voice within Kantara = Initiative.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; ">With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president = Oracle Identity Management, has been elected president of the 2009 = Kantara Initiative Board of Trustees and J. Trent Adams, outreach = specialist, trust & identity, Internet Society, has been elected = chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Trustee members = include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Investments, = Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. Representatives = from Intel and the New Zealand government have Leadership Council seats = on the Board of Trustees.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">According to Sullivan, "The problems the = global identity industry faces today are not just about technology, but = rather a combination of business policy and privacy requirements, = balanced against interoperability, usability, as well as technology = harmonization. All of these issues need to be addressed for = identity-enabled solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage = their benefits. Kantara Initiative is uniquely positioned to address = these needs."<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; "><b>A Holistic View - Technology, Policy and = Proven Interoperability</b><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">The Kantara Initiative structure has been = designed to foster the development of new identity-related technology = and policy initiatives from initial proof-of-concept and incubation, to = go-to-market and long-term adoption strategies. Existing projects moving = into Kantara Initiative will benefit from additional community input = which will include identifying new use cases, support for adding = functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperability with other = projects, initiatives and technologies.<o:p></o:p></p><p = style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: top; ">All output = from Kantara Initiative will be based on open standards with the goal of = ensuring end user convenience, security and privacy. A commitment to = open standards means the Kantara Initiative community will collaborate = on projects that make use of all of the identity frameworks, protocols = and specifications in the marketplace today. This means solutions could = be built based on one or a combination of several IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, = Information Card, OAuth, OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML and XDI = standards.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; "><b>Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - Nearly = 20 Work and Discussion Groups in Progress Today</b><o:p></o:p></p><p = style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: top; ">The = Kantara Initiative name, which is Swahili for "bridge" and has Arabic = roots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA Conference and = since then members of the identity community have proposed nearly 20 = initial work and discussion groups. All groups are open to every Kantara = Initiative member as well as to the public, and anyone can suggest a new = group to the Leadership Council at any time. Groups are formed by = members and participants to address common issues and problems related = to specific industries.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">Proposed groups, which are being approved = on an ongoing basis by the Leadership Council, include Concordia Use = Cases, eGovernment, Federated Identity Model Agreement & Commentary = (FIMAC), Health Identity and Assurance, Identity Assurance and = Accreditation, Identity Provider Selection, Identity Theft Prevention, = ID-WSF Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Identity = Selector, Multi-Protocol Relying Party Deployment, Privacy and Public = Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information Technology = and Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all of the groups = in progress is available at<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u><a = href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D6" = target=3D"_new" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D6</a></u><o:p></o:p></= p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: top; ">"It's = clear that Kantara Initiative brings together the right mix of = collaborators to help shepherd the next generation of identity = solutions. Specifically, our goal is to facilitate the development of = solutions that are interoperable, secure and privacy-respecting. And = importantly, the work is being done in an open and transparent fashion," = said Adams. "Collaboration between identity communities and initiatives = within Kantara Initiative will lead to more trusted identity-enabled = applications and services. This fits squarely into the Internet Society = vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the continued development and = adoption of Internet technologies includes a broad range of participants = with dispersed ownership and control."<o:p></o:p></p><p = style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: top; "><u>About = Kantara Initiative</u><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; vertical-align: top; ">Kantara Initiative has been formed by = Concordia Project, DataPortablity Project, Information Card Foundation, = Internet Society, Liberty Alliance, OpenLiberty.org and XDI.org. The = Kantara Initiative membership structure is unique in that it has been = organized to ensure that there are zero barriers to participation. = Membership levels allow for maximum industry-wide participation and = include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which individuals = and organizations join depending on the size of the organization and = type of desired participation. The Kantara Initiative membership = structure, levels, fees and governance model are outlined at<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u><a = href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D8" = target=3D"_new" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=3D8</a></u><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>. A complete membership and = chair list is available at<u><a = href=3D"http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members= " target=3D"_new" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members</a></= u>.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; vertical-align: = top; "><u>About the June 24 Kantara Initiative Public = Webcast</u><o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: = 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = vertical-align: top; ">Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive director, = Kantara Initiative, Roger Sullivan and J.Trent Adams, the public = webcast,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Kantara = Initiative, Shaping the Future of Digital Identity,</i><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>takes place on Wednesday, = June, 24 at 8:00am US PT. The one-hour event will provide participants = with an overview of Kantara Initiative including a review of goals, = structure and opportunities for all members of the global identity = community to participate in the organization. Registration and more = information is available at<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u><a = href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5" target=3D"_new" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5</a></u><o:p></o:p></p><pre = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; = vertical-align: top; "> Follow Kantara Initiative = (#Kantara) on Twitter:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; vertical-align: top; "> <a = href=3D"http://twitter.com/KantaraNews" target=3D"_new" style=3D"color: = blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">http://twitter.com/KantaraNews</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; = vertical-align: top; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; 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= ">bkissel at janrain.com</span></a> <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Cell</b>: = 503.866.4424 <span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Fax</b>: = 503.296.5502<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div>___________________________________________= ____<br>board mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:board at openid.net" = style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; = ">board at openid.net</a><br><a = href=3D"http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br></div></span></blockquot= e></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail-58-668142159-- From jernst at netmesh.us Mon Jun 1 04:32:42 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:32:42 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <DC742B15-B473-4536-A85B-467DBCF4FD71@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905291539r1e447610v22cea2a36e058076@mail.gmail.com> <4A208A33.8050407@degeneration.co.uk> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> So what's wrong with the OIDF helping to assemble an open-source project that does all of what you say, and that has a name OTHER than OpenID? The W3C doesn't call its browser "HTML" either. Imagine if it did. On May 30, 2009, at 14:58, Chris Messina wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > When the OIDF was started, we explicitly decided that the OIDF would > not maintain or endorse any particular code base. > > I agree that we should not endorse any codebase, but I disagree that > the foundation should not or can not provide resources, > infrastructure or act as a convening force to facilitate the > development of libraries. > > The OpenID libraries could be made much more usable, lightweight and > approachable if effort and resources were put into them. The reality > is that no one is going to do this "out of the goodness of their > hearts" (least of all, without community momentum providing a > different kind of incentive to participate). > > We finally have interest from folks to move the PHP library forward, > and rather than have this work happen off to the side, I would > really like to see this work happen in plain view, where others will > see that this work is happening and then become interested in > joining it. > > Ideally we will have a mix of board and regular members of the > foundation running the project, and maintaining resources related to > the libraries. > > > While that decision can of course be overturned, I think the > rationale for it is as good today as it was back then -- we want > OpenID supporters to agree on the spec, and compete on > implementations. In my view, that is essential for encouraging the > growth of a healthy, innovative marketplace of both products and > ideas. > > I don't think that a spec alone is sufficient; you need high quality > implementations that are also interoperable, and to that end, the > foundation has an interest and responsibility to encourage the > collaboration of implementors to create interoperable and compatible > implementations. > > I also agree with using market mechanisms to increase competition, > but I do not believe that competition will occur until you've > created a baseline playing field in which to compete. I do think > that the popup/UI extension is one area were we're seeing alignment > and competition occur, but it is work that is happening to fill a > void that has been made manifest by all the different (and > confusing) implementations of OpenID in the wild. > > In other words, I believe that we need planes that are proven to fly > before we can expect people to build Harrier jump jets on their own. > > I think that we've made tremendous progress in the last six months > on proving the viability of OpenID in the marketplace, but I think > that we have to double-down and make it *much easier* to implement > and adopt OpenID, and to have it work well out of the box for folks > who have not been involved in this community or identity technology > from the beginning. > > And that requires clean libraries and implementations that take > little fore-knowledge for granted and lead the way towards deploying > a successful implementation. > > We don't have those resources assembled today. > > > There is nothing wrong in my for the foundation to encourage a > vibrant OpenID open source project. Declaring it to be "the one and > only" would be a big mistake, however. The naming that's proposed > implies to me exactly that and that is worrying to me. > > I agree with this. And that's not what is implied or intended by > hosting the OpenID libraries on Google Code. In fact, I hope that we > can even provide pointers to (or checkouts of) competing > implementations in the same language in the repository, but document > their strengths and differences in an accessible way. > > At the same time, I think that the goal here is to bring together a > great deal of effort and might to push these libraries forward; I'm > approaching using a method that I've found successful in the past > and will continue to pursue it unless or until someone proposes an > alternative and is equally willing to seeing it through to completion. > > It isn't that my approach is the only one that will work, it's just > that it's the one that I've used successfully in the past and seems > appropriate in this context as well. > > Chris > > > > On May 29, 2009, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote: > >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk >> > wrote: >> >> It seems that github also satisfies all of the above requirements, >> with the advantage of making it easier to pull changes from the >> individual maintainer repositories due to github being designed >> with this in mind. Github also supports multiple repositories per >> account, so each library can have its own repository, maintainers, >> etc. >> >> Yes, but not everyone is familiar with GIT yet. SVN is much more >> widely known, I would think, in the general world of development at >> this time. >> >> I'm enamored by Github, but that doesn't mean that it's what >> everyone's using yet. >> >> >> (I'm also a little confused as to what the advantage is of having >> "a central place to check out", given that the purpose of checking >> out is to contribute changes and changes will be contributed >> somewhere else. What is the purpose of checking out a working copy >> of repository other than the one you want to ultimately commit to?) >> >> My goal is raise the visibility of the libraries and the current >> home on OpenIDEnabled.com has failed to produce a community of >> active maintainers, from what I've seen. >> >> Perhaps it's just a matter of setting up a page at http://openid.net/code >> that's a cleaned up version of http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries. I >> could certainly start there. >> >> The purpose of checking out the latest stable version of a library >> (or even latest unstable branch) is to enable folks to run the >> latest code in their projects and then update them easily when new >> versions are released. Perhaps tarballs are sufficient, but it >> seems like giving different communities like WordPress a simple >> place to do an SVN checkout from would be valuable. >> >> Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, or to support my proposal. >> >> >> Both the PHP library and the Perl library I maintain are already on >> github. I'd be happy to have the libnet-openid-perl repository on >> my github account (apparentlymart) forked into the openid account >> on github as long as someone's going to commit to maintaining that >> fork. >> >> Unless someone steps up, it's unlikely to happen, I guess. >> >> But therein lies the rub: we have failed to develop a community of >> maintainers for the OpenID libraries and I think we're worse off >> for it. I'm attempting to get some momentum for such a community by >> centralizing at least a listing of the libraries in a familiar >> place that developers are used to seeing. >> >> GitHub doesn't provide a way to customize the homepage of a >> project, and so we need a place that is clean, approachable, well- >> designed and is easy for someone on the board (or some other >> dedicated community member(s)) to maintain. >> >> Again, I can start with creating a page on OpenID.net, but the >> symbolic achievement of having a central repository to me somehow >> seems important, and is what is motivating my desire to finally >> make this happen. >> >> Chris >> >> >> -- >> Chris Messina >> Open Web Advocate >> >> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >> >> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >> >> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you propose we call it then? Are you actually opposed to calling the project Google Code "OpenID"? Do you think that http://code.google.com/p/oauth was the wrong name for the OAuth project? On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > So what's wrong with the OIDF helping to assemble an open-source project > that does all of what you say, and that has a name OTHER than OpenID? > The W3C doesn't call its browser "HTML" either. Imagine if it did. > > > > On May 30, 2009, at 14:58, Chris Messina wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > >> When the OIDF was started, we explicitly decided that the OIDF would not >> maintain or endorse any particular code base. >> > > I agree that we should not endorse any codebase, but I disagree that the > foundation should not or can not provide resources, infrastructure or act as > a convening force to facilitate the development of libraries. > > The OpenID libraries could be made much more usable, lightweight and > approachable if effort and resources were put into them. The reality is that > no one is going to do this "out of the goodness of their hearts" (least of > all, without community momentum providing a different kind of incentive to > participate). > > We finally have interest from folks to move the PHP library forward, and > rather than have this work happen off to the side, I would really like to > see this work happen in plain view, where others will see that this work is > happening and then become interested in joining it. > > Ideally we will have a mix of board and regular members of the foundation > running the project, and maintaining resources related to the libraries. > > >> >> While that decision can of course be overturned, I think the rationale for >> it is as good today as it was back then -- we want OpenID supporters to >> agree on the spec, and compete on implementations. In my view, that is >> essential for encouraging the growth of a healthy, innovative marketplace of >> both products and ideas. >> > > I don't think that a spec alone is sufficient; you need high quality > implementations that are also interoperable, and to that end, the foundation > has an interest and responsibility to encourage the collaboration of > implementors to create interoperable and compatible implementations. > > I also agree with using market mechanisms to increase competition, but I do > not believe that competition will occur until you've created a baseline > playing field in which to compete. I do think that the popup/UI extension is > one area were we're seeing alignment and competition occur, but it is work > that is happening to fill a void that has been made manifest by all the > different (and confusing) implementations of OpenID in the wild. > > In other words, I believe that we need planes that are proven to fly before > we can expect people to build Harrier jump jets on their own. > > I think that we've made tremendous progress in the last six months on > proving the viability of OpenID in the marketplace, but I think that we have > to double-down and make it *much easier* to implement and adopt OpenID, and > to have it work well out of the box for folks who have not been involved in > this community or identity technology from the beginning. > > And that requires clean libraries and implementations that take little > fore-knowledge for granted and lead the way towards deploying a successful > implementation. > > We don't have those resources assembled today. > > >> >> There is nothing wrong in my for the foundation to encourage a vibrant >> OpenID open source project. Declaring it to be "the one and only" would be a >> big mistake, however. The naming that's proposed implies to me exactly that >> and that is worrying to me. >> > > I agree with this. And that's not what is implied or intended by hosting > the OpenID libraries on Google Code. In fact, I hope that we can even > provide pointers to (or checkouts of) competing implementations in the same > language in the repository, but document their strengths and differences in > an accessible way. > > At the same time, I think that the goal here is to bring together a great > deal of effort and might to push these libraries forward; I'm approaching > using a method that I've found successful in the past and will continue to > pursue it unless or until someone proposes an alternative and is equally > willing to seeing it through to completion. > > It isn't that my approach is the only one that will work, it's just that > it's the one that I've used successfully in the past and seems appropriate > in this context as well. > > Chris > > >> >> >> On May 29, 2009, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk>wrote: >>> >>> >>> It seems that github also satisfies all of the above requirements, with >>> the advantage of making it easier to pull changes from the individual >>> maintainer repositories due to github being designed with this in mind. >>> Github also supports multiple repositories per account, so each library can >>> have its own repository, maintainers, etc. >> >> >> Yes, but not everyone is familiar with GIT yet. SVN is much more widely >> known, I would think, in the general world of development at this time. >> >> I'm enamored by Github, but that doesn't mean that it's what everyone's >> using yet. >> >> >> (I'm also a little confused as to what the advantage is of having "a >>> central place to check out", given that the purpose of checking out is to >>> contribute changes and changes will be contributed somewhere else. What is >>> the purpose of checking out a working copy of repository other than the one >>> you want to ultimately commit to?) >>> >> >> My goal is raise the visibility of the libraries and the current home on >> OpenIDEnabled.com has failed to produce a community of active maintainers, >> from what I've seen. >> >> Perhaps it's just a matter of setting up a page at >> http://openid.net/code that's a cleaned up version of >> http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries. I could certainly start there. >> >> The purpose of checking out the latest stable version of a library (or >> even latest unstable branch) is to enable folks to run the latest code in >> their projects and then update them easily when new versions are released. >> Perhaps tarballs are sufficient, but it seems like giving different >> communities like WordPress a simple place to do an SVN checkout from would >> be valuable. >> >> Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, or to support my proposal. >> >> >>> Both the PHP library and the Perl library I maintain are already on >>> github. I'd be happy to have the libnet-openid-perl repository on my github >>> account (apparentlymart) forked into the openid account on github as long as >>> someone's going to commit to maintaining that fork. >> >> >> Unless someone steps up, it's unlikely to happen, I guess. >> >> But therein lies the rub: we have failed to develop a community of >> maintainers for the OpenID libraries and I think we're worse off for it. I'm >> attempting to get some momentum for such a community by centralizing at >> least a listing of the libraries in a familiar place that developers are >> used to seeing. >> >> GitHub doesn't provide a way to customize the homepage of a project, and >> so we need a place that is clean, approachable, well-designed and is easy >> for someone on the board (or some other dedicated community member(s)) to >> maintain. >> >> Again, I can start with creating a page on OpenID.net, but the symbolic >> achievement of having a central repository to me somehow seems important, >> and is what is motivating my desire to finally make this happen. >> Chris >> >> >> -- >> Chris Messina >> Open Web Advocate >> >> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >> >> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >> >> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> >> Johannes Ernst >> NetMesh Inc. >> >> <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 977 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090531/b62f1a86/attachment-0005.gif> From jernst at netmesh.us Mon Jun 1 05:00:28 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:00:28 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <DC742B15-B473-4536-A85B-467DBCF4FD71@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905291539r1e447610v22cea2a36e058076@mail.gmail.com> <4A208A33.8050407@degeneration.co.uk> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of the name ;-) I would have the same misgivings for any project with similar organizational and technical circumstances. On May 31, 2009, at 21:46, Chris Messina wrote: > Huh? > > What do you propose we call it then? Are you actually opposed to > calling the project Google Code "OpenID"? Do you think that http://code.google.com/p/oauth > was the wrong name for the OAuth project? > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > So what's wrong with the OIDF helping to assemble an open-source > project that does all of what you say, and that has a name OTHER > than OpenID? > > The W3C doesn't call its browser "HTML" either. Imagine if it did. > > > > On May 30, 2009, at 14:58, Chris Messina wrote: > >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> >> wrote: >> When the OIDF was started, we explicitly decided that the OIDF >> would not maintain or endorse any particular code base. >> >> I agree that we should not endorse any codebase, but I disagree >> that the foundation should not or can not provide resources, >> infrastructure or act as a convening force to facilitate the >> development of libraries. >> >> The OpenID libraries could be made much more usable, lightweight >> and approachable if effort and resources were put into them. The >> reality is that no one is going to do this "out of the goodness of >> their hearts" (least of all, without community momentum providing a >> different kind of incentive to participate). >> >> We finally have interest from folks to move the PHP library >> forward, and rather than have this work happen off to the side, I >> would really like to see this work happen in plain view, where >> others will see that this work is happening and then become >> interested in joining it. >> >> Ideally we will have a mix of board and regular members of the >> foundation running the project, and maintaining resources related >> to the libraries. >> >> >> While that decision can of course be overturned, I think the >> rationale for it is as good today as it was back then -- we want >> OpenID supporters to agree on the spec, and compete on >> implementations. In my view, that is essential for encouraging the >> growth of a healthy, innovative marketplace of both products and >> ideas. >> >> I don't think that a spec alone is sufficient; you need high >> quality implementations that are also interoperable, and to that >> end, the foundation has an interest and responsibility to encourage >> the collaboration of implementors to create interoperable and >> compatible implementations. >> >> I also agree with using market mechanisms to increase competition, >> but I do not believe that competition will occur until you've >> created a baseline playing field in which to compete. I do think >> that the popup/UI extension is one area were we're seeing alignment >> and competition occur, but it is work that is happening to fill a >> void that has been made manifest by all the different (and >> confusing) implementations of OpenID in the wild. >> >> In other words, I believe that we need planes that are proven to >> fly before we can expect people to build Harrier jump jets on their >> own. >> >> I think that we've made tremendous progress in the last six months >> on proving the viability of OpenID in the marketplace, but I think >> that we have to double-down and make it *much easier* to implement >> and adopt OpenID, and to have it work well out of the box for folks >> who have not been involved in this community or identity technology >> from the beginning. >> >> And that requires clean libraries and implementations that take >> little fore-knowledge for granted and lead the way towards >> deploying a successful implementation. >> >> We don't have those resources assembled today. >> >> >> There is nothing wrong in my for the foundation to encourage a >> vibrant OpenID open source project. Declaring it to be "the one and >> only" would be a big mistake, however. The naming that's proposed >> implies to me exactly that and that is worrying to me. >> >> I agree with this. And that's not what is implied or intended by >> hosting the OpenID libraries on Google Code. In fact, I hope that >> we can even provide pointers to (or checkouts of) competing >> implementations in the same language in the repository, but >> document their strengths and differences in an accessible way. >> >> At the same time, I think that the goal here is to bring together a >> great deal of effort and might to push these libraries forward; I'm >> approaching using a method that I've found successful in the past >> and will continue to pursue it unless or until someone proposes an >> alternative and is equally willing to seeing it through to >> completion. >> >> It isn't that my approach is the only one that will work, it's just >> that it's the one that I've used successfully in the past and seems >> appropriate in this context as well. >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2009, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk >>> > wrote: >>> >>> It seems that github also satisfies all of the above requirements, >>> with the advantage of making it easier to pull changes from the >>> individual maintainer repositories due to github being designed >>> with this in mind. Github also supports multiple repositories per >>> account, so each library can have its own repository, maintainers, >>> etc. >>> >>> Yes, but not everyone is familiar with GIT yet. SVN is much more >>> widely known, I would think, in the general world of development >>> at this time. >>> >>> I'm enamored by Github, but that doesn't mean that it's what >>> everyone's using yet. >>> >>> >>> (I'm also a little confused as to what the advantage is of having >>> "a central place to check out", given that the purpose of checking >>> out is to contribute changes and changes will be contributed >>> somewhere else. What is the purpose of checking out a working copy >>> of repository other than the one you want to ultimately commit to?) >>> >>> My goal is raise the visibility of the libraries and the current >>> home on OpenIDEnabled.com has failed to produce a community of >>> active maintainers, from what I've seen. >>> >>> Perhaps it's just a matter of setting up a page at http://openid.net/code >>> that's a cleaned up version of http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries. >>> I could certainly start there. >>> >>> The purpose of checking out the latest stable version of a library >>> (or even latest unstable branch) is to enable folks to run the >>> latest code in their projects and then update them easily when new >>> versions are released. Perhaps tarballs are sufficient, but it >>> seems like giving different communities like WordPress a simple >>> place to do an SVN checkout from would be valuable. >>> >>> Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, or to support my proposal. >>> >>> >>> Both the PHP library and the Perl library I maintain are already >>> on github. I'd be happy to have the libnet-openid-perl repository >>> on my github account (apparentlymart) forked into the openid >>> account on github as long as someone's going to commit to >>> maintaining that fork. >>> >>> Unless someone steps up, it's unlikely to happen, I guess. >>> >>> But therein lies the rub: we have failed to develop a community of >>> maintainers for the OpenID libraries and I think we're worse off >>> for it. I'm attempting to get some momentum for such a community >>> by centralizing at least a listing of the libraries in a familiar >>> place that developers are used to seeing. >>> >>> GitHub doesn't provide a way to customize the homepage of a >>> project, and so we need a place that is clean, approachable, well- >>> designed and is easy for someone on the board (or some other >>> dedicated community member(s)) to maintain. >>> >>> Again, I can start with creating a page on OpenID.net, but the >>> symbolic achievement of having a central repository to me somehow >>> seems important, and is what is motivating my desire to finally >>> make this happen. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Messina >>> Open Web Advocate >>> >>> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >>> >>> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >>> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >>> >>> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> board at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> Johannes Ernst >> NetMesh Inc. >> >> <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Messina >> Open Web Advocate >> >> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >> >> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >> >> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: openid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 903 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090531/fba0c4d0/attachment-0005.gif> From chris.messina at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 05:03:22 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:03:22 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <DC742B15-B473-4536-A85B-467DBCF4FD71@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905291539r1e447610v22cea2a36e058076@mail.gmail.com> <4A208A33.8050407@degeneration.co.uk> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0905312203j7ddfce88m67b33c12293847dc@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named > Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of > the name ;-) > If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. > > I would have the same misgivings for any project with similar > organizational and technical circumstances. > I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed. I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing themselves. Chris > > > On May 31, 2009, at 21:46, Chris Messina wrote: > > Huh? > What do you propose we call it then? Are you actually opposed to calling > the project Google Code "OpenID"? Do you think that > http://code.google.com/p/oauth was the wrong name for the OAuth project? > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > >> So what's wrong with the OIDF helping to assemble an open-source project >> that does all of what you say, and that has a name OTHER than OpenID? >> The W3C doesn't call its browser "HTML" either. Imagine if it did. >> >> >> >> On May 30, 2009, at 14:58, Chris Messina wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us>wrote: >> >>> When the OIDF was started, we explicitly decided that the OIDF would not >>> maintain or endorse any particular code base. >>> >> >> I agree that we should not endorse any codebase, but I disagree that the >> foundation should not or can not provide resources, infrastructure or act as >> a convening force to facilitate the development of libraries. >> >> The OpenID libraries could be made much more usable, lightweight and >> approachable if effort and resources were put into them. The reality is that >> no one is going to do this "out of the goodness of their hearts" (least of >> all, without community momentum providing a different kind of incentive to >> participate). >> >> We finally have interest from folks to move the PHP library forward, and >> rather than have this work happen off to the side, I would really like to >> see this work happen in plain view, where others will see that this work is >> happening and then become interested in joining it. >> >> Ideally we will have a mix of board and regular members of the foundation >> running the project, and maintaining resources related to the libraries. >> >> >>> >>> While that decision can of course be overturned, I think the rationale >>> for it is as good today as it was back then -- we want OpenID supporters to >>> agree on the spec, and compete on implementations. In my view, that is >>> essential for encouraging the growth of a healthy, innovative marketplace of >>> both products and ideas. >>> >> >> I don't think that a spec alone is sufficient; you need high quality >> implementations that are also interoperable, and to that end, the foundation >> has an interest and responsibility to encourage the collaboration of >> implementors to create interoperable and compatible implementations. >> >> I also agree with using market mechanisms to increase competition, but I >> do not believe that competition will occur until you've created a baseline >> playing field in which to compete. I do think that the popup/UI extension is >> one area were we're seeing alignment and competition occur, but it is work >> that is happening to fill a void that has been made manifest by all the >> different (and confusing) implementations of OpenID in the wild. >> >> In other words, I believe that we need planes that are proven to fly >> before we can expect people to build Harrier jump jets on their own. >> >> I think that we've made tremendous progress in the last six months on >> proving the viability of OpenID in the marketplace, but I think that we have >> to double-down and make it *much easier* to implement and adopt OpenID, and >> to have it work well out of the box for folks who have not been involved in >> this community or identity technology from the beginning. >> >> And that requires clean libraries and implementations that take little >> fore-knowledge for granted and lead the way towards deploying a successful >> implementation. >> >> We don't have those resources assembled today. >> >> >>> >>> There is nothing wrong in my for the foundation to encourage a vibrant >>> OpenID open source project. Declaring it to be "the one and only" would be a >>> big mistake, however. The naming that's proposed implies to me exactly that >>> and that is worrying to me. >>> >> >> I agree with this. And that's not what is implied or intended by hosting >> the OpenID libraries on Google Code. In fact, I hope that we can even >> provide pointers to (or checkouts of) competing implementations in the same >> language in the repository, but document their strengths and differences in >> an accessible way. >> >> At the same time, I think that the goal here is to bring together a great >> deal of effort and might to push these libraries forward; I'm approaching >> using a method that I've found successful in the past and will continue to >> pursue it unless or until someone proposes an alternative and is equally >> willing to seeing it through to completion. >> >> It isn't that my approach is the only one that will work, it's just that >> it's the one that I've used successfully in the past and seems appropriate >> in this context as well. >> >> Chris >> >> >>> >>> >>> On May 29, 2009, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Martin Atkins <mart at degeneration.co.uk>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems that github also satisfies all of the above requirements, with >>>> the advantage of making it easier to pull changes from the individual >>>> maintainer repositories due to github being designed with this in mind. >>>> Github also supports multiple repositories per account, so each library can >>>> have its own repository, maintainers, etc. >>> >>> >>> Yes, but not everyone is familiar with GIT yet. SVN is much more widely >>> known, I would think, in the general world of development at this time. >>> >>> I'm enamored by Github, but that doesn't mean that it's what everyone's >>> using yet. >>> >>> >>> (I'm also a little confused as to what the advantage is of having "a >>>> central place to check out", given that the purpose of checking out is to >>>> contribute changes and changes will be contributed somewhere else. What is >>>> the purpose of checking out a working copy of repository other than the one >>>> you want to ultimately commit to?) >>>> >>> >>> My goal is raise the visibility of the libraries and the current home on >>> OpenIDEnabled.com has failed to produce a community of active maintainers, >>> from what I've seen. >>> >>> Perhaps it's just a matter of setting up a page at >>> http://openid.net/code that's a cleaned up version of >>> http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries. I could certainly start there. >>> >>> The purpose of checking out the latest stable version of a library (or >>> even latest unstable branch) is to enable folks to run the latest code in >>> their projects and then update them easily when new versions are released. >>> Perhaps tarballs are sufficient, but it seems like giving different >>> communities like WordPress a simple place to do an SVN checkout from would >>> be valuable. >>> >>> Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, or to support my proposal. >>> >>> >>>> Both the PHP library and the Perl library I maintain are already on >>>> github. I'd be happy to have the libnet-openid-perl repository on my github >>>> account (apparentlymart) forked into the openid account on github as long as >>>> someone's going to commit to maintaining that fork. >>> >>> >>> Unless someone steps up, it's unlikely to happen, I guess. >>> >>> But therein lies the rub: we have failed to develop a community of >>> maintainers for the OpenID libraries and I think we're worse off for it. I'm >>> attempting to get some momentum for such a community by centralizing at >>> least a listing of the libraries in a familiar place that developers are >>> used to seeing. >>> >>> GitHub doesn't provide a way to customize the homepage of a project, and >>> so we need a place that is clean, approachable, well-designed and is easy >>> for someone on the board (or some other dedicated community member(s)) to >>> maintain. >>> >>> Again, I can start with creating a page on OpenID.net, but the symbolic >>> achievement of having a central repository to me somehow seems important, >>> and is what is motivating my desire to finally make this happen. >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Messina >>> Open Web Advocate >>> >>> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >>> >>> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >>> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >>> >>> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> board at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >>> Johannes Ernst >>> NetMesh Inc. >>> >>> <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> board at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Messina >> Open Web Advocate >> >> Website: http://factoryjoe.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina >> >> Diso Project: http://diso-project.org >> OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net >> >> This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> >> Johannes Ernst >> NetMesh Inc. >> >> <lid.gif> <openid.gif> http://netmesh.info/jernst >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was > because of the name ;-) > > If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of > Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an open- source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too. The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in terms of writing code. > I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about > creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that > would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being > developed. > > I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some > negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are > still not writing themselves. Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is active and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java? I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason. Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that wasn't your question. Cheers, Johannes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/c54e1dc5/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Mon Jun 1 18:47:41 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:47:41 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <5F0EF336-00A9-415A-944A-5F007C6D3FB3@netmesh.us> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <DC742B15-B473-4536-A85B-467DBCF4FD71@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905291539r1e447610v22cea2a36e058076@mail.gmail.com> <4A208A33.8050407@degeneration.co.uk> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312203j7ddfce88m67b33c12293847dc@mail.gmail.com> <5F0EF336-00A9-415A-944A-5F007C6D3FB3@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <7B639CE3-5FB7-4C49-8377-99B78EBE4E5C@sixapart.com> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why community based open source development is important beyond just corporate backed development. I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward? If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the Foundation's job to help fix that. --David On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst >> <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: >> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator >> named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it >> was because of the name ;-) >> >> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard >> of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. > > The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an > open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. > Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was > donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the > OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would not > be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too. > > The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did > anything" in terms of writing code. > >> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about >> creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that >> would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being >> developed. >> >> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some >> negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are >> still not writing themselves. > > Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. > It is my understanding that code from that project has been > incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a > small community but it is active and has been for a while. So they > are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to broaden that > project beyond Java? > > I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ > proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those > either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason. > > Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But > that wasn't your question. > > Cheers, > > > > Johannes. > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/6b6fba28/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Mon Jun 1 18:49:40 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:49:40 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Community momentum around code@openid.net (part 2 of 2) In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0905291847r73d08a7ch6f87e9a2741b7786@mail.gmail.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291847r73d08a7ch6f87e9a2741b7786@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <55A268F6-C330-47DF-9B23-0120D1A0F640@sixapart.com> +1. We should try to invigorate code at openid.net as a mailing list designed for developers actually working on OpenID implementations. Not for spec development, general OpenID questions, etc. I see this being paired with a more code oriented site like http://code.openid.net/ . --David On May 29, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Chris Messina wrote: > Earlier I proposed opening up a unified repository for the OpenID > libraries on Google Code. > > Whether or not that happens, I would also like to promote the use of > the code at openid.net mailing list for discussing issues related to > the libraries, making improvements and creating new forks or > branches of the 2.0 libraries to support experimental features being > proposed on the 2.1 wiki page: > > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/code > http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Authentication_2_1 > > In general I think that we need to motivate involve in and > improvement of the OpenID libraries, and I'm open to any ideas or > proposals to that end. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > Facebook: http://facebook.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/02e19fc1/attachment.htm> From dewitt at google.com Mon Jun 1 18:55:05 2009 From: dewitt at google.com (DeWitt Clinton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:55:05 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <7B639CE3-5FB7-4C49-8377-99B78EBE4E5C@sixapart.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312203j7ddfce88m67b33c12293847dc@mail.gmail.com> <5F0EF336-00A9-415A-944A-5F007C6D3FB3@netmesh.us> <7B639CE3-5FB7-4C49-8377-99B78EBE4E5C@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <5755edd90906011155md2a9742s1630ead9db19fe44@mail.gmail.com> Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the openid.googlecode.com project up to Chris and others representing the OIDF? -DeWitt On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority > of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's > process. This is one of the reasons why community based open source > development is important beyond just corporate backed development. > I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library > contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on > GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone > willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can > we please move forward? > > If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make > http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an > OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The > wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's > libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the > Foundation's job to help fix that. > > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > >> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named >> Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of >> the name ;-) >> > > If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of > Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. > > > The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an > open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were > donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There > was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being > associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license > sounded good, too. > > The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in > terms of writing code. > > I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about > creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead > to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed. > > I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative > feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing > themselves. > > > Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is > my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into some > large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is active > and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one > could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java? > > I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary > implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would stipulate > that it is for the same reason. > > Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that > wasn't your question. > > Cheers, > > > > Johannes. > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Given that no other board members have participated in the discussion, I'm guessing that most board memebers don't have strong opinions on the matter. We could either: 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and the community 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an electronic vote 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make a decision there Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward? Thanks, --David On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: > Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the > openid.googlecode.com project up to Chris and others representing > the OIDF? > > -DeWitt > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: > No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the > majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work > within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why community > based open source development is important beyond just corporate > backed development. > > I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library > contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue > developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative > proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like > Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward? > > If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make http://openid.net/code > then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code > project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The wider > developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's > libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the > Foundation's job to help fix that. > > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst >>> <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: >>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator >>> named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it >>> was because of the name ;-) >>> >>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard >>> of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. >> >> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an >> open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. >> Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was >> donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the >> OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would >> not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too. >> >> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did >> anything" in terms of writing code. >> >>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go >>> about creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances >>> that would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being >>> developed. >>> >>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some >>> negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are >>> still not writing themselves. >> >> Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some >> traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has >> been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's >> a small community but it is active and has been for a while. So >> they are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to >> broaden that project beyond Java? >> >> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ >> proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those >> either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason. >> >> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But >> that wasn't your question. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Johannes. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/549e2c44/attachment.htm> From chris.messina at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:06:45 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:06:45 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Community momentum around code@openid.net (part 2 of 2) In-Reply-To: <23789890.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <23789890.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906011206x1a64a13fxf1921cdfefd392e6@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris Messina wrote: > > > > to support experimental features being proposed on the 2.1 wiki page: > > > > Where are the experimental features being proposed for 2.1? Sorry I dont > seem to be able to find them? > It's all here: http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Authentication_2_1 Specifically the addition of email-style identifiers for use in OpenID authentication; improvements to discovery; etc. Chris -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/39652695/attachment.htm> From jernst at netmesh.us Mon Jun 1 19:12:10 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:12:10 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <7B639CE3-5FB7-4C49-8377-99B78EBE4E5C@sixapart.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291225j1af6e859l2ec5650e3f6ac906@mail.gmail.com> <DC742B15-B473-4536-A85B-467DBCF4FD71@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905291539r1e447610v22cea2a36e058076@mail.gmail.com> <4A208A33.8050407@degeneration.co.uk> <1bc4603e0905291840q648d6faar19738b14434e26da@mail.gmail.com> <D73DBD8C-892F-40C3-8AA7-2A0EED212BEC@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905301458w6aaabda5k847ca6ca5faa8b8c@mail.gmail.com> <F3F1E98A-E9E1-435B-B7A6-CD287C2BFC2C@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312146x5ac003acg70d834c12d1515f3@mail.gmail.com> <6128D2C8-9C04-44C8-AFDA-DEE82121BB09@netmesh.us> <1bc4603e0905312203j7ddfce88m67b33c12293847dc@mail.gmail.com> <5F0EF336-00A9-415A-944A-5F007C6D3FB3@netmesh.us> <7B639CE3-5FB7-4C49-8377-99B78EBE4E5C@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <F2441D57-50E8-41F0-B805-74D21BEA65FA@netmesh.us> On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:47, David Recordon wrote: > No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the > majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work > within the ASF's process. ... and nobody else stepped up, so there were no commits. I think we are saying the same thing here. > This is one of the reasons why community based open source > development is important beyond just corporate backed development. > > I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library > contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue > developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative > proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like > Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward? The alternate proposal is to do exactly what Chris is saying but call it something else than "OpenID". For lack of a better term, I propose "Heraldry" ;-) [I think you came up with that term?] > If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make http://openid.net/code > then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code > project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The wider > developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's > libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the > Foundation's job to help fix that. I'm not disagreeing about substance, only about naming. On a related but independent note, I do want to understand what specifically we have learned since Apache incubation that will make a second run at this work this time. Cheers, Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/e776e894/attachment.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 977 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/e776e894/attachment-0004.gif> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: openid.gif Type: image/gif Size: 903 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/e776e894/attachment-0005.gif> From jonathan.coffman at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:13:57 2009 From: jonathan.coffman at gmail.com (Jonathan Coffman) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:13:57 -0400 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <C2E1A3B4-3989-4A82-B5CD-E6DE113976E9@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <C649A0B5.D602%jonathan.coffman@gmail.com> I?ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the technical issues around OpenID and I?ll say that in our experience, finding the various libraries has been more laborious than we had anticipated. Ie ? it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the ?most recently updated? library for given technologies were and having information like that presented in a uniform or centralized manner would be wonderful. -Jonathan On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it. Given that > no other board members have participated in the discussion, I'm guessing that > most board memebers don't have strong opinions on the matter. We could > either: > 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and the > community > 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an electronic vote > 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make a decision > there > > Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward? > > Thanks, > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: > >> Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the >> openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com> project up to Chris and >> others representing the OIDF? >> >> -DeWitt >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote: >>> >>> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority >>> of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's >>> process. This is one of the reasons why community based open source >>> development is important beyond just corporate backed development. >>> >>> I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library >>> contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on >>> GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone >>> willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can >>> we please move forward? >>> >>> >>> If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make >>> http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an >>> OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The >>> wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's >>> libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the >>> Foundation's job to help fix that. >>> >>> >>> --David >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named >>>>>> Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of >>>>>> the name ;-) >>>>> >>>>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of >>>>> Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. >>>> >>>> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an >>>> open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were >>>> donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There >>>> was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being >>>> associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license >>>> sounded good, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in >>>> terms of writing code. >>>> >>>>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about >>>>> creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead >>>>> to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative >>>>> feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing >>>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is >>>> my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into >>>> some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is >>>> active and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps >>>> one could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java? >>>> >>>> >>>> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary >>>> implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would >>>> stipulate that it is for the same reason. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that >>>> wasn't your question. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Johannes. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> board mailing list >>>> board at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> board mailing list >>> board at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/28ee0e1a/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Mon Jun 1 19:21:41 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:21:41 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <C649A0B5.D602%jonathan.coffman@gmail.com> References: <C649A0B5.D602%jonathan.coffman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51F1E664-D4AE-4573-8A15-3CF4EA616A2A@sixapart.com> Thanks for chiming in Jonathan! It's great to have you share your experiences directly here versus my only being able to share stories like your own I've been hearing the past six months. Thanks, --David On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Coffman wrote: > I?ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the > technical issues around OpenID and I?ll say that in our experience, > finding the various libraries has been more laborious than we had > anticipated. > > Ie ? it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the > ?most recently updated? library for given technologies were and > having information like that presented in a uniform or centralized > manner would be wonderful. > > -Jonathan > > > On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > >> So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it. >> Given that no other board members have participated in the >> discussion, I'm guessing that most board memebers don't have strong >> opinions on the matter. We could either: >> 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and >> the community >> 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an >> electronic vote >> 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make >> a decision there >> >> Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward? >> >> Thanks, >> --David >> >> On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: >> >>> Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the >>> openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com> project up >>> to Chris and others representing the OIDF? >>> >>> -DeWitt >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon >>> <david at sixapart.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the >>>> majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to >>>> work within the ASF's process. This is one of the reasons why >>>> community based open source development is important beyond just >>>> corporate backed development. >>>> >>>> I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various >>>> library contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart >>>> continue developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete >>>> alternative proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it >>>> happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can we please move >>>> forward? >>>> >>>> >>>> If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first >>>> make http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with >>>> him that an OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of >>>> forward momentum. The wider developer community has expressed >>>> many times over that OpenID's libraries are not of the quality >>>> that they need to be and it is the Foundation's job to help fix >>>> that. >>>> >>>> >>>> --David >>>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache >>>>>>> incubator named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I >>>>>>> don't think it was because of the name ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've >>>>>> heard of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or >>>>>> fate. >>>>> >>>>> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation >>>>> an open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. >>>>> Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider >>>>> was donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of >>>>> the OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF >>>>> would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did >>>>> anything" in terms of writing code. >>>>> >>>>>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go >>>>>> about creating or facilitating the creation of the >>>>>> circumstances that would lead to world-class open source OpenID >>>>>> libraries being developed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some >>>>>> negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries >>>>>> are still not writing themselves. >>>>> >>>>> Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some >>>>> traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has >>>>> been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. >>>>> It's a small community but it is active and has been for a >>>>> while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one could >>>>> attempt to broaden that project beyond Java? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ >>>>> proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those >>>>> either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But >>>>> that wasn't your question. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Johannes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> board mailing list >>>>> board at openid.net >>>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> board mailing list >>>> board at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/df45f0d5/attachment.htm> From chris.messina at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:35:20 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:35:20 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2) In-Reply-To: <51F1E664-D4AE-4573-8A15-3CF4EA616A2A@sixapart.com> References: <C649A0B5.D602%jonathan.coffman@gmail.com> <51F1E664-D4AE-4573-8A15-3CF4EA616A2A@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906011235y478ba744kc8488d70977d7a0b@mail.gmail.com> Exactly. As I've been out around the world talking to everyone I can about OpenID (specifically folks outside of the identity community) I hear this all the time. We fail the "make it easy" test in spades and I'm endeavoring to tackle that issue. Heraldry is a perfect way to further confuse people who are only NOW getting acquainted with OpenID. As the resident branding guy (for lack of a better term), I can tell you that we don't need MORE brands to deal with (PoCo, Diso, OAuth, OpenID, XRDS, XRD, XRI, OpenSocial, ad nauseam). Furthermore, the only reason that we don't have the OpenID project on Google Code is because Google reserved all the project names that were first on Sourceforge.net. As the SF project is pretty much dead, (like Heraldry) the reason to NOT have our space carved out on Google Code seems to have evaporated ? but policies are policies. I'm not saying that starting up openid.googlecode.com is going to solve the dearth of good OpenID libraries problems, but I am saying that I can commit to doing what I've done before and help to grow interest and attention in a community space dedicated to the improvement of the OpenID libraries. And since the project is centered on OpenID libraries, I think it should bear that name, even if we don't endorse one implementation over another. I think Jonathan has expressed one the problems that we must address as a community ? and my proposal is my first effort to that end. Chris On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:21 PM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > Thanks for chiming in Jonathan! It's great to have you share your > experiences directly here versus my only being able to share stories like > your own I've been hearing the past six months. > Thanks, > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Coffman wrote: > > I?ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the technical > issues around OpenID and I?ll say that in our experience, finding the > various libraries has been more laborious than we had anticipated. > > Ie ? it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the ?most > recently updated? library for given technologies were and having information > like that presented in a uniform or centralized manner would be wonderful. > > -Jonathan > > > On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > > So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it. Given > that no other board members have participated in the discussion, I'm > guessing that most board memebers don't have strong opinions on the matter. > We could either: > 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and the > community > 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an electronic vote > 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make a > decision there > > Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward? > > Thanks, > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote: > > Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the > openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com> project up to Chris > and others representing the OIDF? > > -DeWitt > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: > > > No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the majority > of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work within the ASF's > process. This is one of the reasons why community based open source > development is important beyond just corporate backed development. > > I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library > contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue developing on > GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative proposal with someone > willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris is. So I'm sorry, but can > we please move forward? > > > If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make > http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with him that an > OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum. The > wider developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's > libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the > Foundation's job to help fix that. > > > --David > > On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote: > > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > > > We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator named > Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it was because of > the name ;-) > > > If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard of > Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate. > > > The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an > open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality. Libraries were > donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was donated into it. There > was broad support from all parts of the OpenID community. We figured being > associated with the ASF would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license > sounded good, too. > > > The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did anything" in > terms of writing code. > > I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about > creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that would lead > to world-class open source OpenID libraries being developed. > > > I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some negative > feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are still not writing > themselves. > > > Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction. It is > my understanding that code from that project has been incorporated into some > large-scale commercial offerings. It's a small community but it is active > and has been for a while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one > could attempt to broaden that project beyond Java? > > > I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/proprietary > implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those either. I would stipulate > that it is for the same reason. > > > Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But that > wasn't your question. > > Cheers, > > > > Johannes. > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/32953890/attachment.htm> From santrajan at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 03:40:52 2009 From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OpenID board] Community momentum around code@openid.net (part 2 of 2) In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906011206x1a64a13fxf1921cdfefd392e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291847r73d08a7ch6f87e9a2741b7786@mail.gmail.com> <23789890.post@talk.nabble.com> <1bc4603e0906011206x1a64a13fxf1921cdfefd392e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <23825995.post@talk.nabble.com> +1 for code at openid.net You think webfinger would find a place in 2.1? Given that we need to support not only emails but also jabber id's could we add this to the experimental features? We need simple "plug and play" type of code for implementing OpenID, so that administraters can easily incorporate OpenID into their systems. I am working on a simple wrapper for JanRain's php-openid, I hope to release that soon. If you have a common repository I will put it up there. Chris Messina wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> Chris Messina wrote: >> > >> > to support experimental features being proposed on the 2.1 wiki page: >> > >> >> Where are the experimental features being proposed for 2.1? Sorry I dont >> seem to be able to find them? >> > > It's all here: > > http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Authentication_2_1 > > Specifically the addition of email-style identifiers for use in OpenID > authentication; improvements to discovery; etc. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > ----- Santosh Rajan http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Community-momentum-around-code%40openid.net-%28part-2-of-2%29-tp23789425p23825995.html Sent from the OpenID - Foundation Board mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 03:42:59 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:42:59 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Community momentum around code@openid.net (part 2 of 2) In-Reply-To: <23825995.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <1bc4603e0905291847r73d08a7ch6f87e9a2741b7786@mail.gmail.com> <23789890.post@talk.nabble.com> <1bc4603e0906011206x1a64a13fxf1921cdfefd392e6@mail.gmail.com> <23825995.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906012042n5b49ce81i1ea62a7fa884a98f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> wrote: > You think webfinger would find a place in 2.1? Given that we need to > support > not only emails but also jabber id's could we add this to the experimental > features? > If someone is willing to write up how it should work, then it certainly will be considered. We need simple "plug and play" type of code for implementing OpenID, so that > administraters can easily incorporate OpenID into their systems. I am > working on a simple wrapper for JanRain's php-openid, I hope to release > that > soon. If you have a common repository I will put it up there. > For now go ahead and use GitHub. We can then export a checkout to the Google Code repo, if we ever get the go ahead to set it up. Chris > > > > Chris Messina wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Chris Messina wrote: > >> > > >> > to support experimental features being proposed on the 2.1 wiki page: > >> > > >> > >> Where are the experimental features being proposed for 2.1? Sorry I dont > >> seem to be able to find them? > >> > > > > It's all here: > > > > http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Authentication_2_1 > > > > Specifically the addition of email-style identifiers for use in OpenID > > authentication; improvements to discovery; etc. > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > Chris Messina > > Open Web Advocate > > > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > > > > _______________________________________________ > > board mailing list > > board at openid.net > > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > > > ----- > > Santosh Rajan > http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/Community-momentum-around-code%40openid.net-%28part-2-of-2%29-tp23789425p23825995.html > Sent from the OpenID - Foundation Board mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090601/5b4674c4/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 2 17:44:35 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:44:35 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control Message-ID: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It looks like Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75. I've left a comment on Carsten's blog and emailed Don, John and Marisa asking that we sort this out today. Is Carsten's membership different than others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands? http://notsorelevant.com/2009-06-02/about-losing-a-supporter/ Thanks, --David In February 2008 I happily joined the OpenID Foundation (OIDF). For the first time it was possible for individuals to join the OIDF and I was certainly among the first to join. While the annual membership fee of $100 was a little high, I thought it was only natural for me to join the foundation and support something that I believe in. This blog and Spread OpenID are document of that. By the end of last year the membership fee for individuals was lowered to $25/year. So I was surprised when I got notified by PayPal in February 2009 that $100 were transferred to the OIDF for another year of membership, starting April 1 2009. I was a little confused since I wasn?t aware that it was a subscription model, that was probably my fault, and that I was charged $100 instead of $25. So first I cancelled the subscription - the $100 for period April 2009 to March 2010 were paid, though - and got in touch with David Recordon and Scott Kveton who are both board members of the OIDF. Obviously, something was wrong with the subscription model and I wanted to make sure this didn?t happen to other members as well. Also I wanted to work out a way that I only paid $25 as well. Both forwarded my email to Don Thibeau, who was appointed the executive director of the OIDF in February. Until March 21 I didn?t hear from Don so I got back in touch with him and asked about the matter. I got only a short reply, two short sentences without salutation or complimentary close (hey, he?s probably busy or that?s some cultural difference), that he was working on the issue with Marisa Kihlthau (of Inventures). Marisa got a copy of his reply as well. Since I didn?t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don?t ask me why, though. As you can guess, I was rather frustrated by the time and I wrote to Don that I didn?t care about the OIDFanymore and that he should keep the $100 for whatever period of time my membership was good for. Once again he replied that he was sorry and copied the email to Marisa. He wrote another email and asked if he could do anything else for me. I negated. Marisa also got in touch, explaining that the OIDF was under new management (wow, that?s news in May 2009 ) and that they were sorting the membership database, hoping things to be solved by the end of May. I should get in touch with her if I had any more questions. Until today nothing happened. No way will I get back in touch with anyone about the matter. I don?t care anymore. However I want to make the story public because I think it is a bad example of customer service. I will no longer support theOIDF as it is unprofessional and won?t accomplish much if all issues are dealt with the same way. I tried to support OpenID in many ways in the past and still think it is a great concept. But why should I waste more time, energy, and money? Annoyed, frustrated, disappointed! From sakimura at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 18:05:20 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 03:05:20 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb@mail.gmail.com> I read it. Very bad. Need to check. =nat On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:44 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote: > If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. ?It looks like > Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75. > > I've left a comment on Carsten's blog and emailed Don, John and Marisa > asking that we sort this out today. ?Is Carsten's membership different than > others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands? > > http://notsorelevant.com/2009-06-02/about-losing-a-supporter/ > > Thanks, > --David > > In February 2008 I happily joined the OpenID Foundation (OIDF). For > the first time it was possible for individuals to join the OIDF and I > was certainly among the first to join. While the annual membership fee > of $100 was a little high, I thought it was only natural for me to > join the foundation and support something that I believe in. This blog > and Spread OpenID are document of that. > > By the end of last year the membership fee for individuals was lowered > to $25/year. So I was surprised when I got notified by PayPal in > February 2009 that $100 were transferred to the OIDF for another year > of membership, starting April 1 2009. I was a little confused since I > wasn?t aware that it was a subscription model, that was probably my > fault, and that I was charged $100 instead of $25. > > So first I cancelled the subscription - the $100 for period April 2009 > to March 2010 were paid, though - and got in touch with David Recordon > and Scott Kveton who are both board members of the OIDF. Obviously, > something was wrong with the subscription model and I wanted to make > sure this didn?t happen to other members as well. Also I wanted to > work out a way that I only paid $25 as well. Both forwarded my email > to Don Thibeau, who was appointed the executive director of the OIDF > in February. > > Until March 21 I didn?t hear from Don so I got back in touch with him > and asked about the matter. I got only a short reply, two short > sentences without salutation or complimentary close (hey, he?s > probably busy or that?s some cultural difference), that he was working > on the issue with Marisa Kihlthau (of Inventures). Marisa got a copy > of his reply as well. > > Since I didn?t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don > again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership > status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don?t ask me why, though. As > you can guess, I was rather frustrated by the time and I wrote to Don > that I didn?t care about the OIDFanymore and that he should keep the > $100 for whatever period of time my membership was good for. > > Once again he replied that he was sorry and copied the email to > Marisa. He wrote another email and asked if he could do anything else > for me. I negated. Marisa also got in touch, explaining that the OIDF > was under new management (wow, that?s news in May 2009 ?) and that > they were sorting the membership database, hoping things to be solved > by the end of May. I should get in touch with her if I had any more > questions. > > Until today nothing happened. No way will I get back in touch with > anyone about the matter. I don?t care anymore. However I want to make > the story public because I think it is a bad example of customer > service. I will no longer support theOIDF as it is unprofessional and > won?t accomplish much if all issues are dealt with the same way. > > I tried to support OpenID in many ways in the past and still think it > is a great concept. But why should I waste more time, energy, and > money? > > Annoyed, frustrated, disappointed! > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 18:11:30 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:11:30 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> Message-ID: <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> Unfortunately the OpenID foundation hasn't lived up to the promises to its members, various brought to the attention of the board and previous and current execs were simply ignored. At the moment StartCom has no intention to renew its membership - I might do so as an individual...maybe. But the foundation has been steam-rolled by the big corporations, making the contribution of smaller companies and individuals pretty irrelevant. The below issue of Carsten only highlights how this organization is run and further confirms our own impression and decision to pull out. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 On 06/02/2009 08:44 PM, David Recordon: > If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It looks > like Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him > $75. > > I've left a comment on Carsten's blog and emailed Don, John and Marisa > asking that we sort this out today. Is Carsten's membership different > than others or do we have a larger membership management problem on > our hands? > > http://notsorelevant.com/2009-06-02/about-losing-a-supporter/ > > Thanks, > --David > > In February 2008 I happily joined the OpenID Foundation (OIDF). For > the first time it was possible for individuals to join the OIDF and I > was certainly among the first to join. While the annual membership fee > of $100 was a little high, I thought it was only natural for me to > join the foundation and support something that I believe in. This blog > and Spread OpenID are document of that. > > By the end of last year the membership fee for individuals was lowered > to $25/year. So I was surprised when I got notified by PayPal in > February 2009 that $100 were transferred to the OIDF for another year > of membership, starting April 1 2009. I was a little confused since I > wasn?t aware that it was a subscription model, that was probably my > fault, and that I was charged $100 instead of $25. > > So first I cancelled the subscription - the $100 for period April 2009 > to March 2010 were paid, though - and got in touch with David Recordon > and Scott Kveton who are both board members of the OIDF. Obviously, > something was wrong with the subscription model and I wanted to make > sure this didn?t happen to other members as well. Also I wanted to > work out a way that I only paid $25 as well. Both forwarded my email > to Don Thibeau, who was appointed the executive director of the OIDF > in February. > > Until March 21 I didn?t hear from Don so I got back in touch with him > and asked about the matter. I got only a short reply, two short > sentences without salutation or complimentary close (hey, he?s > probably busy or that?s some cultural difference), that he was working > on the issue with Marisa Kihlthau (of Inventures). Marisa got a copy > of his reply as well. > > Since I didn?t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don > again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership > status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don?t ask me why, though. As > you can guess, I was rather frustrated by the time and I wrote to Don > that I didn?t care about the OIDFanymore and that he should keep the > $100 for whatever period of time my membership was good for. > > Once again he replied that he was sorry and copied the email to > Marisa. He wrote another email and asked if he could do anything else > for me. I negated. Marisa also got in touch, explaining that the OIDF > was under new management (wow, that?s news in May 2009 ) and that > they were sorting the membership database, hoping things to be solved > by the end of May. I should get in touch with her if I had any more > questions. > > Until today nothing happened. No way will I get back in touch with > anyone about the matter. I don?t care anymore. However I want to make > the story public because I think it is a bad example of customer > service. I will no longer support theOIDF as it is unprofessional and > won?t accomplish much if all issues are dealt with the same way. > > I tried to support OpenID in many ways in the past and still think it > is a great concept. But why should I waste more time, energy, and > money? > > Annoyed, frustrated, disappointed! > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/983ba78b/attachment.htm> From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 18:59:53 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:59:53 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> I'm certainly disappointed on Carsten's behalf as well. It does appear that we not only have not built out the membership management tools for the board (it's unclear whether this was ever prioritized or provided resources for), nor have we articulated a clear and ongoing value proposition to the membership. That said, having first been on the outside as a critique of the foundation and now being on the inside, I can attest to the meager human resources that the foundation has at its disposal to correct these issues. I am open to Eddy's point about large companies steam-rolling the foundation, but am unclear what contributions smaller companies have attempted to make that have been thwarted because of their participation. If anything, the larger companies have validated the protocol in the marketplace and driven a great deal of value for its adoption, though not without creating a compromised situation with directed identity where big brands are placed in priority against self-hosted OpenIDs. Still, there is plenty of room for members of the community to step in and organize the membership, either in the context of the foundation or in general, with projects like SpreadOpenID, that are not directly controlled or sponsored by the foundation. Moreover, we have a marketing challenge where OpenID itself isn't a product like Firefox that is easy to explain or to "show". Instead it requires people take the time the understand the technology, what's good for and then to spend resources implementing it, and so the adoption cycle is longer and more involved. Personally I'm hoping to work more on our overall marketing, communication and web strategy this summer, but I'm just one person. Participation on the mailing list is one thing, but going out and donating time and energy, which is then surfaced to other members of the community is another. None of this negates or excuses Carsten's poor customer experience, but it is important to recognize that the board is comprised of volunteers and only at the beginning of this year brought in Don to serve as the executive director. It's been five months and the lack of solid infrastructure beneath the foundation is still apparent, but progress is being made. I've had it on my plate to do a "progress interview" with Don for the blog; I'll get cracking on that today to at least better surface some of the things that have been going on behind the scenes over the past couple months. I hope (and expect!) that in the next few months we will continue to make progress and hopefully correct the institutional problems that lead to Carsten's experience in the first place. Chris On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > Unfortunately the OpenID foundation hasn't lived up to the promises to its > members, various brought to the attention of the board and previous and > current execs were simply ignored. At the moment StartCom has no intention > to renew its membership - I might do so as an individual...maybe. > > But the foundation has been steam-rolled by the big corporations, making > the contribution of smaller companies and individuals pretty irrelevant. The > below issue of Carsten only highlights how this organization is run and > further confirms our own impression and decision to pull out. > > Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> > Jabber: startcom at startcom.org Blog: Join the Revolution!<http://blog.startcom.org> > Phone: +1.213.341.0390 > > On 06/02/2009 08:44 PM, David Recordon: > > If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It looks like > Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75. > > I've left a comment on Carsten's blog and emailed Don, John and Marisa > asking that we sort this out today. Is Carsten's membership different than > others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands? > > http://notsorelevant.com/2009-06-02/about-losing-a-supporter/ > > Thanks, > --David > > In February 2008 I happily joined the OpenID Foundation (OIDF). For > the first time it was possible for individuals to join the OIDF and I > was certainly among the first to join. While the annual membership fee > of $100 was a little high, I thought it was only natural for me to > join the foundation and support something that I believe in. This blog > and Spread OpenID are document of that. > > By the end of last year the membership fee for individuals was lowered > to $25/year. So I was surprised when I got notified by PayPal in > February 2009 that $100 were transferred to the OIDF for another year > of membership, starting April 1 2009. I was a little confused since I > wasn?t aware that it was a subscription model, that was probably my > fault, and that I was charged $100 instead of $25. > > So first I cancelled the subscription - the $100 for period April 2009 > to March 2010 were paid, though - and got in touch with David Recordon > and Scott Kveton who are both board members of the OIDF. Obviously, > something was wrong with the subscription model and I wanted to make > sure this didn?t happen to other members as well. Also I wanted to > work out a way that I only paid $25 as well. Both forwarded my email > to Don Thibeau, who was appointed the executive director of the OIDF > in February. > > Until March 21 I didn?t hear from Don so I got back in touch with him > and asked about the matter. I got only a short reply, two short > sentences without salutation or complimentary close (hey, he?s > probably busy or that?s some cultural difference), that he was working > on the issue with Marisa Kihlthau (of Inventures). Marisa got a copy > of his reply as well. > > Since I didn?t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don > again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership > status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don?t ask me why, though. As > you can guess, I was rather frustrated by the time and I wrote to Don > that I didn?t care about the OIDFanymore and that he should keep the > $100 for whatever period of time my membership was good for. > > Once again he replied that he was sorry and copied the email to > Marisa. He wrote another email and asked if he could do anything else > for me. I negated. Marisa also got in touch, explaining that the OIDF > was under new management (wow, that?s news in May 2009 ) and that > they were sorting the membership database, hoping things to be solved > by the end of May. I should get in touch with her if I had any more > questions. > > Until today nothing happened. No way will I get back in touch with > anyone about the matter. I don?t care anymore. However I want to make > the story public because I think it is a bad example of customer > service. I will no longer support theOIDF as it is unprofessional and > won?t accomplish much if all issues are dealt with the same way. > > I tried to support OpenID in many ways in the past and still think it > is a great concept. But why should I waste more time, energy, and > money? > > Annoyed, frustrated, disappointed! > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/725b5cdf/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 19:17:20 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:17:20 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> Hi Chris, On 06/02/2009 09:59 PM, Chris Messina: > I am open to Eddy's point about large companies steam-rolling the > foundation, but am unclear what contributions smaller companies have > attempted to make that have been thwarted because of their > participation. If anything, the larger companies have validated the > protocol in the marketplace and driven a great deal of value for its > adoption, though not without creating a compromised situation with > directed identity where big brands are placed in priority against > self-hosted OpenIDs. I'm not criticizing the efforts made by the big members, but I also feel that efforts made by some of the less important board members and other community members are either ignored or are going nowhere...In this respect I have some testimonials received in private mails, and some is obvious for anybody involved longer than 1- 2 years. Look who is running the show.... However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing. Every member has (or might have) its own reasons for joining - one of the main reasons which were important for StartCom simply were ignored eventually (after a nice email confirming that it's taking care of). Therefore there is hardly any basis to keep the membership for the company without the return in expected value. (It might be for me as an individual though). Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/040d13c1/attachment.htm> From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 21:04:53 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:04:53 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: However my critic is much less that, but rather things which should have > been done which were of importance to StartCom. Initially I think it was > Bill who tried to get some of the things going, but he quit as the head of > the foundation. Trying it after a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in > nothing. > > Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be successful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be useful, it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through. This is both the benefit and risk of relying on community processes, and is not unique to the OpenID Foundation. I hope that you consider your experience with the OIDF against other experiences you've had with other similar organizations (if you interact with any) to keep things in perspective. In other words, what one member wants or sees as being important may not resonate with the entire membership and it is therefore upon the board to reflect the wider interests, rather than favoring any one member. It's certainly a challenging balance to strike, but I hope that when considering your membership, that you don't strictly evaluate the foundation's performance based on the adoption of any particular issue, but take a broader look at the overall work done by the group. Chris -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/8be140aa/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 21:32:38 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:32:38 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <4A256B52.10802@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021159n71a723bbn4293d40415c610d7@mail.gmail.com> <4A257AC0.4040604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021404m73b02d28nb8caeeceb696c24f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 12:04 AM, Chris Messina: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) > <eddy_nigg at startcom.org <mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org>> wrote: > > However my critic is much less that, but rather things which > should have been done which were of importance to StartCom. > Initially I think it was Bill who tried to get some of the things > going, but he quit as the head of the foundation. Trying it after > a long wait with Don has resulted exactly in nothing. > > > Eddy, this is simply the way that politics work. If you're able to get > a large constituency to support your goals, you're more likely to be > successful. Though the strong support of a single board member can be > useful, it's certainly not all that's needed to push change through. > Weeeellll, I think basic promises should be kept. It took a very long time until http://openid.net/foundation/ was cleaned up. The page with foundation members listing never happened. This was long promised, never kept (for those who wanted to be listed). Incidentally I can't find the page which promised the member benefits anymore, maybe that's on purpose too. The page http://openid.net/get/ does favor only some foundation/corporate members. That's unfortunate of course and not satisfying for a corporate member. Carsten's issue seems to be just another confirmation that member care isn't something overly important....it's simply not enough to send out once a year a reminder to pay the fee - or in his case simply deduct it. Huuuhu, without a community supporting OpenID, I believe that something very important is going to get lost. Additionally I view the over-representation of the corporate members overwhelming. I'd support a motion which would disallow employees and otherwise affiliated to a sustaining member corporation for a community seat. I'm certain this wasn't the intention originally - I believe today that there is a conflict of interest. Your above comment seems to be supportive of my impression. And some board members seem to be clearly frustrated to be one out of fifteen with having to convince a 2/3 of corporate and affiliated majority for their cause. Personally I didn't set any goals or targets, the above could become one however :-) Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/39e8a71b/attachment.htm> From lshepard at facebook.com Tue Jun 2 21:41:44 2009 From: lshepard at facebook.com (Luke Shepard) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:41:44 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> Message-ID: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> Hey Eddy, I don't have the historical context here (I just joined the board in February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you have been fighting for that you haven't seen come to fruition? I'm pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt to exclude. Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community members are currently also corporate members. Again, I'm just trying to get some perspective on the specific problems you've had. On 6/2/09 2:32 PM, "Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)" <eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: And some board members seem to be clearly frustrated to be one out of fifteen with having to convince a 2/3 of corporate and affiliated majority for their cause. Personally I didn't set any goals or targets, the above could become one however :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the meantime I found the supposed member benefits which are stated at https://openid.net/foundation/members/ In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of Company/Organizational Membership: * Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and promotional materials * Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry events For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > > I?m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more > a matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious > attempt to exclude. At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > You are correct. I'm retracting my previous statement. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Those are the benefits which > differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a > hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > Are you a corporate foundation member? If so, what level member are you? If it's any consolation, besides the logo thing on the website, we really haven't done any promotional efforts, so besides the "Get an OpenID" page, there really aren't any other logos on the site. I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net set up for the OpenID community, but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there. > I?m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a > matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt > to exclude. > > > At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact > with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it? Chris -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/bf7d967a/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 23:27:16 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:27:16 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> Hi Chris, On 06/03/2009 02:03 AM, Chris Messina: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) > <eddy_nigg at startcom.org <mailto:eddy_nigg at startcom.org>> wrote: > > > In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with > benefits of Company/Organizational Membership: > > * Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation > website and promotional materials > * Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press > releases and industry events > > > For any corporate member this might a critical added value for > becoming a corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those > are the benefits which differ from the individual membership. When > looking at the fees, this has a hefty price too. But we haven't > received them!!! > > > Are you a corporate foundation member? Would I complain otherwise...? ;-) > If so, what level member are you? Huuu? I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types, e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > > If it's any consolation, besides the logo thing on the website, we > really haven't done any promotional efforts, so besides the "Get an > OpenID" page, there really aren't any other logos on the site. That would be a good start already. I've been asking for it for some year. You can judge the "damage" caused by lack of exposure and promotion by yourself. A benefit other members (and maybe non-members) received during the same period. However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't make it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases (it's blog style these days) aren't made with the corporate members included as promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this benefit to hot air at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to include your company name in press releases - just we don't make any PRs) > > I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net > <http://djangopeople.net> set up for the OpenID community, but as > Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there. With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe wrong, not sure... > > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with it? Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to understand which benefit a corporate member should have received during the course of one year when comparing to individual membership. See the differences yourself here: https://openid.net/foundation/members/members Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/72fa5cb2/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Tue Jun 2 23:56:29 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:56:29 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <bf26e2340906021105t79ccc44aufd8a11a7302645eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25BC2D.10001@startcom.org> On 06/02/2009 09:05 PM, Nat Sakimura: > I read it. Very bad. Need to check. > > =nat > > >> Since I didn?t get another information until May 2 I emailed Don >> again. Well, something happened in between: the end of my membership >> status changed from April 1 to July 1. Don?t ask me why, though. If we are at it, we received an email today with subject "Your membership will expire about 1 month from now." That's more than two month ahead of the actual expiration - or less then ten month after activation of the membership. Since we don't have the intention to renew our corporate membership it wasn't anything of concern to us, but just in case the OpenID foundation intends to invest a bit in member care, that would be another point to look at. It's similar to what happened to Carsten, just different. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/a019d6a8/attachment.htm> From jernst at netmesh.us Wed Jun 3 00:10:12 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:10:12 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> Message-ID: <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are > maybe wrong, not sure... Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their memberships at the same financial level at that time? I assume that the answer is yes given that everybody is still on the board. Would be nice to hear that officially, however. And what at the foundation's current plans to release an annual report / tax return / statement of financial position / something of that nature (backwards-looking) and/or budget / business plan / ... (forwards-looking) to the membership? If there are none, that would be good to hear, too. Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not aware of any levels, only two different membership types, > e.g. Individual or Company/Organizational as per > https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > There are seven membership levels: - Individual - $25 - Non-Profit Organization - $100 - Organization with 1 - 25 Employees - $500 - Organization with 26 - 100 Employees - $1500 - Organization with 101 - 250 Employees - $2500 - Organization with 251 - 1000 Employees - $5000 - Organization with More Than 1000 Employees - $10000 > However not having any promotional materials and going efforts doesn't make > it any better, the shortcoming remains the same. Press releases (it's blog > style these days) aren't made with the corporate members included as > promised. Issuing no press releases anymore reduces this benefit to hot air > at best. It's an empty promise. (We promise to include your company name in > press releases - just we don't make any PRs) > I'm not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree that as they've not been kept, they should be removed from the membership benefits. The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting adoption of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one vendor over another. Of course, there's the balance to seek between being arcane and cryptic by avoiding mentioning any OPs or RPs and thereby forcing people to look elsewhere for representative examples of OpenID providers. Hopefully as we rework the website, this will become less of an issue. > > I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net set up for the OpenID > community, but as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor > there. > > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe > wrong, not sure... > I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that's why we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money has been spent! > Can you articulate your cause for the benefit of those unfamiliar with > it? > > > Not sure what your question is exactly. But obviously I fail to understand > which benefit a corporate member should have received during the course of > one year when comparing to individual membership. See the differences > yourself here: > https://openid.net/foundation/members/members > You mentioned asking for a specific thing or benefit for a long time that you've still not received. Do you just mean that StartCom hasn't been promoted on the website? 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(forwards-looking) > to the membership? > > If there are none, that would be good to hear, too. > I presume that this is something that Inventures will be preparing. Chris > > > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090602/a3cda3d8/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 00:14:57 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:14:57 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <0D111F24-DDD9-4AF4-A12E-BB50F3CE56BB@netmesh.us> Message-ID: <4A25C081.1070206@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 03:10 AM, Johannes Ernst: > On Jun 2, 2009, at 16:27, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: > >> With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are maybe >> wrong, not sure... > > Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which was > not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of the > OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their memberships > at the same financial level at that time? You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to company/organization and individual members, right? 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You must be joking....or priorities are >>> maybe wrong, not sure... >> >> Speaking of which, I asked a question earlier on this list which >> was not answered: Did all of the corporate members on the board of >> the OIDF whose membership anniversary was February renew their >> memberships at the same financial level at that time? > > You meant the sustaining members, as opposed to company/organization > and individual members, right? > > > Regards > > Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. > Jabber: startcom at startcom.org > Blog: Join the Revolution! > Phone: +1.213.341.0390 > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:40:03 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021603p709538f2w878217ebf529e54c@mail.gmail.com> <4A25B554.1050209@startcom.org> <1bc4603e0906021712n714df81bq1fdc7358aab7f3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25C663.4050809@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 03:12 AM, Chris Messina: > There are seven membership levels: I pinged you directly since I have no intention to disclose it at this forum publicly, but it's a for-profit Organization. > > I'm not sure when or how these benefits were developed, but I agree > that as they've not been kept, they should be removed from the > membership benefits. As they have not been kept to corporate members, what would you suggest to compensate them? What would be the added benefits for corporation members in your opinion should those benefits be removed? I can't see beyond the once I listed. Why should an organization pay more per vote? (Besides that, I believe that OIF doesn't need the money from its foundation members really. Incidentally, as an organization we paid a higher fee than those of the sustaining member on a per employee basis. Not that it matters, it's just an interesting fact ;-) ) > The Foundation should be a steward of the technology, promoting > adoption of the technology, but not necessarily endorsing any one > vendor over another. Well, I believe endorsement happened long time ago. >> I'd love to see something like djangopeople.net >> <http://djangopeople.net> set up for the OpenID community, but >> as Luke said, resources have been the major limiting factor there. > With a 350K US$ budged? You must be joking....or priorities are > maybe wrong, not sure... > > > I'm not sure where all the sponsorship money has gone, but that's why > we have an executive director to tell us how the foundation money has > been spent! It's good to ask publicly once in a while... I remember that from last year :-) > > You mentioned asking for a specific thing or benefit for a long time > that you've still not received. Do you just mean that StartCom hasn't > been promoted on the website? You know what - I'd say "promotion" would be a rather strong word....an overkill. But I certainly expected to see a listing of all proud foundation members (corporate first, individuals after) at some point. At least for those who want it (there is a flag in the membership profile which one can activate, so this has been though up at some point). I also liked to see the StartSSL provider be listed at the "Get OpenID" page perhaps... Everything beyond would have been beyond our expectations. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/6a428537/attachment.htm> From sakimura at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 03:17:55 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:17:55 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> Message-ID: <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> Re: Foundation Web Site It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list the corporate member logo on the site. (Note: not only the sustaining member.) OpenID Japan with much smaller budget has been doing it from the outset. It is doing regular seminars and hosting other opportunities to fulfil our obligation. Taking membership means one has obligation to fulfill. Failing to do it can have no excuse. I believe the foundation is using Wordpress as CMS. I am not that familier with Wordpress, but it should be able to do it. If it is not, then the CMS needs to be changed. FYI, I manage bunch of non-profit organization sites. It really does not take much to maintain them. =nat On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > Hi Luke, > > On 06/03/2009 12:41 AM, Luke Shepard: > > Hey Eddy, > > I don?t have the historical context here (I just joined the board in > February) so forgive my ignorance. What are the specific things that you > have been fighting for that you haven?t seen come to fruition? > > In the meantime I found the supposed member benefits which are stated at > https://openid.net/foundation/members/ > > In particular I see the following critical shortcomings with benefits of > Company/Organizational Membership: > > Display your corporate logo/name on the OpenID Foundation website and > promotional materials > Be eligible for inclusion in OpenID Foundation press releases and industry > events > > For any corporate member this might a critical added value for becoming a > corporate foundation member of the foundation. Those are the benefits which > differ from the individual membership. When looking at the fees, this has a > hefty price too. But we haven't received them!!! > > > I?m pretty sure that the maintenance of the foundation website is more a > matter of resources and lack of general consensus than a malicious attempt > to exclude. > > At least it should be addressed when made aware of. I've been in contact > with Bill and Don, but I wasn't able to advance our cause one iota. > > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > > > You are correct. I'm retracting my previous statement. > > > Regards > > Signer:? Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. > Jabber:? startcom at startcom.org > Blog:? Join the Revolution! > Phone:? +1.213.341.0390 > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ From jernst at netmesh.us Wed Jun 3 05:08:57 2009 From: jernst at netmesh.us (Johannes Ernst) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:08:57 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> References: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <4A25A734.1010604@startcom.org> <bf26e2340906022017h53fe6981sc72a5565f6197302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BA31AA6-79BF-44AD-AC17-F2AB2F43BBD9@netmesh.us> So Nat: On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list > the corporate member logo on the site. > (Note: not only the sustaining member.) Why do you think that is? Personally, I'm totally baffled. 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This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have to wait a bit longer. Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on the wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! Chris On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > So Nat: > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > >> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list >> the corporate member logo on the site. >> (Note: not only the sustaining member.) >> > > Why do you think that is? > > Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanation > but it ain't me ... > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Website: http://factoryjoe.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What I'm really baffled about is that the OIDF doesn't seem to ever be able to apply any other kind of solution to any problem. The meta-problem is that "heroic effort of an overworked individual" is not sustainable and can never create something like an organization that has good customer/member service, that plans and executes any kind of sustainable campaign on anything, or, unfortunately, that has a lasting value proposition. I had thought that it was simply the old board that couldn't manage to shift gears. The new board is substantially different in composition but it still has the exact same problem. Perhaps even worse so. The question is why, and can it be fixed? Because if it can't ... On Jun 2, 2009, at 22:20, Chris Messina wrote: > If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this > point, I'd like to make sure that this list is actually included in > a sensible place... rather than slapped on like everything else on > the site. > > This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have > to wait a bit longer. > > Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on > the wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! > > Chris > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> > wrote: > So Nat: > > > On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: > It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list > the corporate member logo on the site. > (Note: not only the sustaining member.) > > Why do you think that is? > > Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational > explanation but it ain't me ... > > > > > Johannes Ernst > NetMesh Inc. > > > > http://netmesh.info/jernst > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board Johannes Ernst NetMesh Inc. http://netmesh.info/jernst -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I accepted. > Is Carsten's membership different than > others or do we have a larger membership management problem on our hands? > It's not, I guess. Carsten From sccpffm at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 16:22:21 2009 From: sccpffm at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Carsten_P=C3=B6tter?=) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:22:21 +0200 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> Message-ID: <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com> wrote: > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. First, there was need for a new community board member. Fine, though by now almost all nominees for the community seats were or are board members. ;) Second, is Eric voicing different opinions as he represents Google now? Or was he representing Google's opinion anyway while being a community board member? I don't want to question Eric's integrity but at least this raises questions about the independence of community board members. So I support Eddy's motion. Carsten From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 16:25:22 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:25:22 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A3F2.5060708@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 07:09 PM, Carsten P?tter: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon<david at sixapart.com> wrote: > >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It looks like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him $75. >> >> > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. > That's extremely sad and a bad thing for an open standards community such as OpenID. However the board members and executive must clearly understand, that the minute money is involved, people have expectations! Potential membership management problems might come up very soonish when all those new memberships are going to expire. Echoing Nat's comment from earlier, there are also obligations from the organizers. Making the members feel good is certainly appreciated, but making them feel bad as with Carsten is really unnecessary and a failure. I was the opinion that we need to let the new board and administrative head (executive) have some time in order to sort things. However they weren't voted/hired for a holiday camp, they were voted and hired to get things done - with priority and urgency. Sorry guys, so far failure all over. Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/9fa381b0/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 16:27:16 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:27:16 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P?tter: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard<lshepard at facebook.com> wrote: > > >> Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community >> advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community >> members are currently also corporate members. >> >> > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take > Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a > corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community > member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. > > > So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that! Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/86afb30f/attachment.htm> From dewitt at google.com Wed Jun 3 17:07:38 2009 From: dewitt at google.com (DeWitt Clinton) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:07:38 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> Message-ID: <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> Well, there's a lot of history there. I was directly involved in bringing Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance of OpenID to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent Google on the board. But it was outside my day to day responsibilities at Google -- I did it more as an individual that happened to be filling a corporate seat sponsored by Google. Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an impression on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was elected to hold a community seat when we held the elections. After a certain point it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this as part of his real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural thing to do was hand the Google seat to him. I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been focusing my spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web Foundation), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I could contribute enough. If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a community seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on the board. Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to lose good people simply because of the signature on their paycheck. Probably better to simply elect community representatives that we feel are acting in the interest of the community first, and not worry so much about their employer (which as we've seen with several representatives already, is a temporary state anyway). -DeWitt On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) < eddy_nigg at startcom.org> wrote: > On 06/03/2009 07:22 PM, Carsten P?tter: > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luke Shepard <lshepard at facebook.com> <lshepard at facebook.com> wrote: > > > > Also, with the exception of Allen Tom (who has long been a community > advocate since before Yahoo became a provider), none of the community > members are currently also corporate members. > > > > I guess that's not really addressing the problem Eddy mentioned. Take > Google for example: DeWitt Clinton was representing Google as a > corporate board member while Eric Sachs was elected as a community > member of the board. Recently DeWitt resigned and Eric took his place. > > > > > > So my impression wasn't all that wrong. Thanks for clarifying that! > > > Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> > Jabber: startcom at startcom.org Blog: Join the Revolution!<http://blog.startcom.org> > Phone: +1.213.341.0390 > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090603/a93f6993/attachment.htm> From eddy_nigg at startcom.org Wed Jun 3 17:19:47 2009 From: eddy_nigg at startcom.org (Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:19:47 +0300 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A259A76.8020203@startcom.org> <C64AEAA8.D0AD%lshepard@facebook.com> <402d19c10906030922o40ed7bf1ucaa57142f69ec036@mail.gmail.com> <4A26A464.2070907@startcom.org> <5755edd90906031007w13c673b0we83c8d98b14afbd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26B0B3.9010308@startcom.org> On 06/03/2009 08:07 PM, DeWitt Clinton: > Well, there's a lot of history there. I was directly involved in > bringing Google to the OIDF, and I felt strongly about the importance > of OpenID to the web, so at the time I was a natural fit to represent > Google on the board. But it was outside my day to day > responsibilities at Google -- I did it more as an individual that > happened to be filling a corporate seat sponsored by Google. > > Eric, on the other hand, was thinking about and working on these types > of things full time for his job at Google, and he was making quite an > impression on the community in the process, so he not surprisingly was > elected to hold a community seat when we held the elections. After a > certain point it was clear to everyone that since Eric was doing this > as part of his real job at Google, and I wasn't, the most natural > thing to do was hand the Google seat to him. > > I might even have run for a community seat myself, but I've been > focusing my spare-time energy elsewhere of late (like the Open Web > Foundation), and didn't want to run for a seat if I didn't think I > could contribute enough. > > If people feel strongly about this, change the bylaws to say that a > community seat can't be filled by an employee of a company already on > the board. Though this has risks, too -- it would be a shame to lose > good people simply because of the signature on their paycheck. > Probably better to simply elect community representatives that we feel > are acting in the interest of the community first, and not worry so > much about their employer (which as we've seen with several > representatives already, is a temporary state anyway). Thanks for your clarification and my memory more or less confirms this as well. Nevertheless I believe that there should be such a by-law for the benefit of everybody - including never letting such potential conflicts and accusations thereof happen in first place. I think it's simply clean governance and correct in the interest of the members (including sustaining members). Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg, StartCom Ltd. <http://www.startcom.org> Jabber: startcom at startcom.org <xmpp:startcom at startcom.org> Blog: Join the Revolution! <http://blog.startcom.org> Phone: +1.213.341.0390 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We should remove http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf and put the new ones http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf instead. Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution Agreement when they start working on a new working group. In addition, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 retrospectively. (I hope not.) I seek legal people's advice on this. Best, -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Nat Sakimura <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote: > Fellow board members, legal council, and legal community: > > I just looked at http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/ and > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/executed/ > > For people to join new Working Group, these seem to be out of date. > > We should remove > > > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Entities)_20071205.pdf > > http://openid.net/ipr/Non-Assertion-Agreement/OpenID_IP_Contribution_Agreement_(Individuals)_20071205.pdf > > and put the new ones > > > http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.doc > > http://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/paper-contribution-agr-final-clean-20080107.pdf > > instead. > > Also, we must make sure that the relevant parties submit new Contribution > Agreement when they start working on a new working group. > > In addition, it might be possible that we have to do the same for PAPE 1.0 > retrospectively. (I hope not.) > > I seek legal people's advice on this. > > Best, > > -- > Nat Sakimura (=nat) > http://www.sakimura.org/en/ > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090607/230e5c4d/attachment.htm> From sakimura at gmail.com Tue Jun 9 01:44:07 2009 From: sakimura at gmail.com (Nat Sakimura) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 10:44:07 +0900 Subject: [OpenID board] Agenda for the next board meeting. Message-ID: <bf26e2340906081844t5a3daf03wa796b9250c4bdf76@mail.gmail.com> Hi. In the next board meeting, could you kindly add the following to the agenda? 1) IPR policies update status -- was supposed to be finalized by June. 2) Bylaws status -- was supposed to be finalized by June. In addition, I would like to hear the clarification on who has what responsibility and capability. In particular, I would like to hear: a) Who is responsible for controlling the contribution agreement related issues. Esp. for PAPE. b) Who is responsible for the site maintenance (such as displaying company logo and storing the executed Contribution Agreement, etc. ). c) Who is tracking the issues. d) Who is responsible for membership and general inquiry response. Regards, -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090609/abb53d43/attachment.htm> From will at willnorris.com Tue Jun 9 18:15:34 2009 From: will at willnorris.com (Will Norris) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:15:34 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com> <402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Carsten P?tter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It >> looks like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him >> $75. >> > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. I just got the email from John Ehrig announcing the improvements to the OpenID membership site, so figured I'd bring this back up real quick... I'm in the same boat as Carsten, having joined the foundation back when membership was $100, as opposed to the now $25. I can't seem to find the reference, but I remember someone (Recordon, Kveton?) stating that instead of refunding the $75, my membership would simply be extended to four years. My apologies if this issue has already been clearly addressed, but I couldn't find it, and the website still shows my membership as expiring in a few weeks. I would much rather take the three extra years of membership rather than any kind of refund. -will openid: willnorris.com From jehrig at inventures.com Tue Jun 9 18:21:24 2009 From: jehrig at inventures.com (John Ehrig) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:21:24 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control In-Reply-To: <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> References: <D1EB5062-2D30-4B6A-ABD0-8C69E1213816@sixapart.com><402d19c10906030909k58215ff2n54c4c1dbb44038bb@mail.gmail.com> <511E40F9-A5AF-44C3-B989-FC7458E7CD28@willnorris.com> Message-ID: <9EFEC10B74DE2B4794BAB1EA0A66A42306EB14A1@ivmx01.lan.inventures.com> Hi Will, Thank you for letting me know about this issue and providing some of the background information. I was not aware of the issue at all and the details help greatly! I will look into it and let you know. BTW, in the future it would be very helpful to us if you use the help at oidf.org help desk for all membership questions and issues. This allows us to log and track everything. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Will Norris Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:16 AM To: board at openid.net Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Getting Membership Management Under Control On Jun 3, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Carsten P?tter wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> > wrote: >> If you haven't read Carsten's post this morning, you should. It >> looks like >> Carsten's membership now ends on July 1 and that we still owe him >> $75. >> > Marisa got in touch last night and offered refunding $100 with > immediate cancellation of my membership. I accepted. I just got the email from John Ehrig announcing the improvements to the OpenID membership site, so figured I'd bring this back up real quick... I'm in the same boat as Carsten, having joined the foundation back when membership was $100, as opposed to the now $25. I can't seem to find the reference, but I remember someone (Recordon, Kveton?) stating that instead of refunding the $75, my membership would simply be extended to four years. My apologies if this issue has already been clearly addressed, but I couldn't find it, and the website still shows my membership as expiring in a few weeks. I would much rather take the three extra years of membership rather than any kind of refund. -will openid: willnorris.com _______________________________________________ board mailing list board at openid.net http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 9 18:58:51 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:58:51 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] Fwd: [board-private] FW: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email Like Identifiers References: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17E80C0A@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> Message-ID: <4E945044-D2DF-49E2-AF6F-8760950A4A96@sixapart.com> (Moving this to the public list.) You're right Brian, this is the sort of thing for the working groups to decide and the Foundation/Board to help facilitate from a process/ legal perspective. I'll reply to the thread on General@ explaining the working group process. I think it's also worth another thread about the somewhat mythical "2.1" spec which I'll start on the Specs@ list, driving the community to make a decision on if we want 2.1 to really be a small "maintenance" spec or continue waiting for things like discovery (see http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2009-June/002886.html) to shake out. --David Begin forwarded message: > From: Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> > Date: June 9, 2009 10:47:26 AM PDT > To: "board-private at openid.net" <board-private at openid.net> > Subject: [board-private] FW: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email > Like Identifiers > Reply-To: board-private at openid.net > > FYI, I don't think it's in our charter for the board to make > decisions on these kinds of things, it's for the individual working > groups and spec committees, correct? The OIDF and board can > facilitate the process, but don't think we've historically defined a > technology specification roadmap, correct? > > Cheers, > > Brian > ============== > Brian Kissel > Cell: 503.866.4424 > Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] > On Behalf Of Santosh Rajan > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:42 AM > To: general at openid.net > Subject: Re: [OpenID] Authorized Voting for Email Like Identifiers > > > > I would like to hear an answer to this post from the OpenID foundation > board. > > > > Santosh Rajan wrote: >> >> >> A Vote authorized by the foundation must be conducted to decide >> whether >> Email Like identifiers will be in the core spec of OpenID 2.1. >> If that is not possible the foundation must officially announce >> whether >> Email like identifiers will be in the Core Spec of 2.1. >> >> This will greatly help people decide, how and on what to spend >> their time >> and effort, and will also ensure that their time and effort does >> not go to >> waste. >> >> I also see an urgency in this matter because ideally I would like >> to see >> 2.1 come out soon because there will be Wave servers being released >> by the >> last quarter of the year. If we can have 2.1 before that we will be >> in a >> position to offer OpenID as an alternative. Otherwise I am sure XMPP >> authentication will grow into a Federated authentication. >> >> Here is a link to show the latest plans of Google Wave. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol/browse_thread/thread/2acef1d32b4def06?pli=1 >> http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol/browse_thread/thread/2acef1d32b4def06?pli=1 >> >> >> > > > ----- > > Santosh Rajan > http://santrajan.blogspot.com http://santrajan.blogspot.com > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Authorized-Voting-for-Email-Like-Identifiers-tp23940149p23946788.html > Sent from the OpenID - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > general mailing list > general at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4141 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4142 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4142 (20090609) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > board-private mailing list > board-private at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board-private From Michael.Jones at microsoft.com Wed Jun 10 23:34:58 2009 From: Michael.Jones at microsoft.com (Mike Jones) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:34:58 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes Message-ID: <C11F8A453DFFBE49A9F0D75873F554463701873BE7@NA-EXMSG-C118.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> May 27, 2009 OpenID Executive Committee Call Minutes Attendees: Don Thibeau, Executive Director David Recordon Brian Kissel Mike Jones Raj Mata Absent: Scott Kveton Nat Sakimura Visitors: John Ehrig, Global Inventures 1. Legal Update Don remains on track to update our IPR policies and procedures and bylaws by the end of June. These updates will include changes made in response to requests by two major companies with complex ownership structures who are interested in joining the board. Don and Global Inventures are working on building a complete archive of the IPR declarations we've received thus far and procedures for adding new ones as they come in. The OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as general counsel, rather than continuing to rely on Microsoft funding free legal work for the OIDF. 2. Whitepapers The foundation plans to work with the security committee on publishing a whitepaper on best security and usability practices. Andrew Nash is chairing the security committee and will be working on the security aspects of the whitepaper. Other best practices and forward-looking whitepapers are anticipated. 3. Internet Identity Workshop We partnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner for the IIW participants. We believe that that was a good investment in demonstrating cooperation and building goodwill among the identity community. 4. Strategic Use of Funds for Special Projects Don is soliciting input for a short list of projects such as whitepapers and interop tests that we want to fund. Having John Bradley develop additional security-focused interop tests and ensuring that major implementations have run those tests is one project on the radar. Another is a joint whitepaper with the ICF on the value of having an active client to manage people's identity interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the community to elicit their participation in these efforts as well. 5. 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Legal Update > Don remains on track to update our IPR policies and procedures and > bylaws by the end of June. These updates will include changes made > in response to requests by two major companies with complex > ownership structures who are interested in joining the board. Don > and Global Inventures are working on building a complete archive of > the IPR declarations we?ve received thus far and procedures for > adding new ones as they come in. > > The OIDF will be retaining a lawyer to act as general counsel, > rather than continuing to rely on Microsoft funding free legal work > for the OIDF. > > 2. Whitepapers > The foundation plans to work with the security committee on > publishing a whitepaper on best security and usability practices. > Andrew Nash is chairing the security committee and will be working > on the security aspects of the whitepaper. Other best practices and > forward-looking whitepapers are anticipated. > > 3. Internet Identity Workshop > We partnered with the Information Card Foundation in buying a dinner > for the IIW participants. We believe that that was a good > investment in demonstrating cooperation and building goodwill among > the identity community. > > 4. Strategic Use of Funds for Special Projects > Don is soliciting input for a short list of projects such as > whitepapers and interop tests that we want to fund. Having John > Bradley develop additional security-focused interop tests and > ensuring that major implementations have run those tests is one > project on the radar. Another is a joint whitepaper with the ICF on > the value of having an active client to manage people?s identity > interactions. David asked how we can reach out to the community to > elicit their participation in these efforts as well. > > 5. 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My suggestion. 1) Adda page http://openid.net/foundation/memberlist 2) (Assuming this is a Wordpress page) Add a link to 1) on http://openid.net/foundation and http://openid.net/foundation/members If I had an administrator access to the Wordpress, it would be a snap. BTW, who is the Wordpress administrator? =nat On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote: > If I had the list, I could easily add it to the site, but at this point, > I'd like to make sure that this list is actually included in a sensible > place... rather than slapped on like everything else on the site. > This will be changing I hope, but this specific request might have to wait > a bit longer. > > Still, I would be curious if we could at least feature the list on the > wiki, so that we have a record of it somewhere! > > Chris > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote: > >> So Nat: >> >> On Jun 2, 2009, at 20:17, Nat Sakimura wrote: >> >>> It is kind of surprising for me that this foundation cannot even list >>> the corporate member logo on the site. >>> (Note: not only the sustaining member.) >>> >> >> Why do you think that is? >> >> Personally, I'm totally baffled. Somebody must have a rational explanation >> but it ain't me ... >> >> >> >> >> Johannes Ernst >> NetMesh Inc. >> >> >> >> http://netmesh.info/jernst >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> board mailing list >> board at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board >> >> > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Website: http://factoryjoe.com > Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Nat Sakimura (=nat) http://www.sakimura.org/en/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At least with regards to the > OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. > > Allen > > > > Nat Sakimura wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >> >> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >> people to find out about them. >> >> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >> conducted right now? >> >> -- >> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing list > specs at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Allen David Recordon wrote: > Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to > moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed > contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. > > --David > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: > >> Hi Nat, >> >> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >> >> Allen >> >> >> >> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG >>> are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >>> <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/> >>> >>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>> people to find out about them. >>> >>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted >>> right now? >>> >>> -- >>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net <mailto:specs at openid.net> >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090615/383a2321/attachment.htm> From chris.messina at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 04:30:48 2009 From: chris.messina at gmail.com (Chris Messina) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:30:48 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> Message-ID: <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> This is where our process I think is broken. Without a service like agree2.com to make collecting the agreements, I don't see how this can be done in a transparent, transferrable way. How have other groups managed this? Is this why our WG process is so encumbered and broken? On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> wrote: > Hi David, > > I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible for > collecting the contribution agreements myself? > > Allen > > > > David Recordon wrote: > > Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to moderate new > members on the list to make sure they've signed contribution agreements > before posting, I can make the list itself. > --David > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: > > Hi Nat, > > How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the OpenID UI > WG, we're just mailing each other directly. > > Allen > > > > Nat Sakimura wrote: > > Hi. > I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI WG are > not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/> > > To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for people > to find out about them. > > Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being conducted > right now? > > -- > Nat Sakimura (=nat) > http://www.sakimura.org/en/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing listspecs at openid.nethttp://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > > _______________________________________________ > specs mailing list > specs at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > -- Chris Messina Open Web Advocate Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina Diso Project: http://diso-project.org OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090615/4dcabc91/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 16 19:04:09 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:04:09 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A36A3F2.8030409@yahoo-inc.com> <1bc4603e0906152130p4e32abddr19fead153b125261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <188973A2-3649-441C-BDCA-73E86CF68721@sixapart.com> This is one of the reasons our WG process is hard. I shared on the board@ list a few weeks ago how the OpenSocial Foundation is using a Google Docs Form submission for their contribution agreements electronically and don't think there was any opposition for our doing that here as well. I'm also starting to talk with Inventures to have them manage the actual collection and posting of these agreements. --David On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Chris Messina wrote: > This is where our process I think is broken. > > Without a service like agree2.com to make collecting the agreements, > I don't see how this can be done in a transparent, transferrable way. > > How have other groups managed this? Is this why our WG process is so > encumbered and broken? > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Allen Tom <atom at yahoo-inc.com> > wrote: > Hi David, > > I can take care of moderating the UI mailing list. Am I responsible > for collecting the contribution agreements myself? > > Allen > > > > David Recordon wrote: >> >> Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to >> moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed >> contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. >> >> --David >> >> On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: >> >>> Hi Nat, >>> >>> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >>> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >>>> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . >>>> >>>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>>> people to find out about them. >>>> >>>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >>>> conducted right now? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> specs mailing list >>>> specs at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board > > > > > -- > Chris Messina > Open Web Advocate > > Personal site: http://factoryjoe.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > Diso Project: http://diso-project.org > OpenID Foundation: http://openid.net > > This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/attachments/20090616/051e75ee/attachment.htm> From david at sixapart.com Tue Jun 16 19:04:50 2009 From: david at sixapart.com (David Recordon) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:04:50 -0700 Subject: [OpenID board] OAuth Hybrid and UI ML? In-Reply-To: <4A378979.7080004@aol.com> References: <bf26e2340906111751g18c904e3h56daf2ee645a8aa2@mail.gmail.com> <4A31ADB4.9050706@yahoo-inc.com> <C0777D5A-8B40-4AE3-A302-FCE8301118D7@sixapart.com> <4A378979.7080004@aol.com> Message-ID: <144CAC4D-3C9E-4A93-A513-2321DA321F10@sixapart.com> Hey George, Yes, they're open for reading but require a contribution agreement in order to post. Mailman makes this a bit tricky since it means we need to moderate all new users so that you can receive emails but not post yourself. --David On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:00 AM, George Fletcher wrote: > Will these lists be open for reading to the community? I'd like to > keep up with what's happening in both these groups. > > Thanks, > George > > David Recordon wrote: >> Once the working groups are approved and someone is willing to >> moderate new members on the list to make sure they've signed >> contribution agreements before posting, I can make the list itself. >> >> --David >> >> On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Allen Tom wrote: >> >>> Hi Nat, >>> >>> How does one create a mailing list? At least with regards to the >>> OpenID UI WG, we're just mailing each other directly. >>> >>> Allen >>> >>> >>> >>> Nat Sakimura wrote: >>>> Hi. >>>> I just found out that the Mailing list for OAuth Hybrid WG and UI >>>> WG are not listed on http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ . <http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> > >>>> >>>> To make sure equal participation, we should make it possible for >>>> people to find out about them. >>>> Are they established at all? Where is the discussion being >>>> conducted right now? >>>> -- >>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat) >>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> specs mailing list >>>> specs at openid.net >>>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> specs mailing list >>> specs at openid.net <mailto:specs at openid.net> >>> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> >> = >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> specs mailing list >> specs at openid.net >> http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/specs >> > From bkissel at janrain.com Wed Jun 17 16:41:25 2009 From: bkissel at janrain.com (Brian Kissel) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:41:25 -0400 Subject: [OpenID board] Update on Kantara Message-ID: <419E40647338514BBA4F8031282090AE1C17F81B72@VMBX107.ihostexchange.net> FYI http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-17-2009/0005045549&EDATE= Kantara Initiative Reshapes Global Identity Landscape Based on Industry-Wide Collaboration, Announces Initial Focus Areas Representatives from Internet Society and Oracle elected to leadership positions as growing membership base works to bridge identity technologies, initiatives and organizations WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 45 organizations from the global identity and Internet communities today announced the launch of Kantara Initiative, a new organization formed to solve the harmonization and interoperability challenges that currently exist among identity-enabled enterprise, Web 2.0 and Web-based applications and services. Kantara Initiative has been founded to collaboratively foster the innovation required for broad adoption of interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions and fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing Kantara Initiative community. Kantara Initiative will hold a public webcast to overview the new organization on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT (3:00pm UTC). The launch of Kantara Initiative comes after a year of strategic planning involving stakeholders representing the entire identity ecosystem. This planning focused on how to best move the industry forward as the enterprise identity landscape continues to evolve and use of social networking and Web 2.0 applications rapidly proliferates, with growing interaction between these three markets driving new use cases and identity requirements. With zero barriers to participation and founding principles based on transparency, inclusion, empowerment, innovation, collaboration and openness, members of the community are leveraging the successes and experiences of each other to drive holistic, interoperable and trusted identity solutions into the global marketplace. "The identity product and service market grows more complex every month, and as the market gets more moving parts, there are more and more requirements for all those parts to work together. The parts aren't going to work together unless the part makers work together -- and that's why today's announcement is important," said Bob Blakley, principal analyst, The Burton Group. "The Kantara Initiative is helping to bridge identity initiatives and organizations, which can help set the stage for better collaboration in the global identity sector." Board of Trustees and Leadership Council - Fostering Innovation and Collaboration Based on a Bicameral Governance Model The Kantara Initiative has been established based on a bicameral governance model where the Board of Trustees and Leadership Council work hand-in-hand as peers in steering the direction of the organization. The bicameral model ensures that all members and participants can have a voice within Kantara Initiative. With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president Oracle Identity Management, has been elected president of the 2009 Kantara Initiative Board of Trustees and J. Trent Adams, outreach specialist, trust & identity, Internet Society, has been elected chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Trustee members include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Investments, Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. Representatives from Intel and the New Zealand government have Leadership Council seats on the Board of Trustees. According to Sullivan, "The problems the global identity industry faces today are not just about technology, but rather a combination of business policy and privacy requirements, balanced against interoperability, usability, as well as technology harmonization. All of these issues need to be addressed for identity-enabled solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage their benefits. Kantara Initiative is uniquely positioned to address these needs." A Holistic View - Technology, Policy and Proven Interoperability The Kantara Initiative structure has been designed to foster the development of new identity-related technology and policy initiatives from initial proof-of-concept and incubation, to go-to-market and long-term adoption strategies. Existing projects moving into Kantara Initiative will benefit from additional community input which will include identifying new use cases, support for adding functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperability with other projects, initiatives and technologies. All output from Kantara Initiative will be based on open standards with the goal of ensuring end user convenience, security and privacy. A commitment to open standards means the Kantara Initiative community will collaborate on projects that make use of all of the identity frameworks, protocols and specifications in the marketplace today. This means solutions could be built based on one or a combination of several IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, Information Card, OAuth, OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML and XDI standards. Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - Nearly 20 Work and Discussion Groups in Progress Today The Kantara Initiative name, which is Swahili for "bridge" and has Arabic roots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA Conference and since then members of the identity community have proposed nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups. All groups are open to every Kantara Initiative member as well as to the public, and anyone can suggest a new group to the Leadership Council at any time. Groups are formed by members and participants to address common issues and problems related to specific industries. Proposed groups, which are being approved on an ongoing basis by the Leadership Council, include Concordia Use Cases, eGovernment, Federated Identity Model Agreement & Commentary (FIMAC), Health Identity and Assurance, Identity Assurance and Accreditation, Identity Provider Selection, Identity Theft Prevention, ID-WSF Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Identity Selector, Multi-Protocol Relying Party Deployment, Privacy and Public Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information Technology and Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all of the groups in progress is available at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=6 "It's clear that Kantara Initiative brings together the right mix of collaborators to help shepherd the next generation of identity solutions. Specifically, our goal is to facilitate the development of solutions that are interoperable, secure and privacy-respecting. And importantly, the work is being done in an open and transparent fashion," said Adams. "Collaboration between identity communities and initiatives within Kantara Initiative will lead to more trusted identity-enabled applications and services. This fits squarely into the Internet Society vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the continued development and adoption of Internet technologies includes a broad range of participants with dispersed ownership and control." About Kantara Initiative Kantara Initiative has been formed by Concordia Project, DataPortablity Project, Information Card Foundation, Internet Society, Liberty Alliance, OpenLiberty.org and XDI.org. The Kantara Initiative membership structure is unique in that it has been organized to ensure that there are zero barriers to participation. Membership levels allow for maximum industry-wide participation and include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which individuals and organizations join depending on the size of the organization and type of desired participation. The Kantara Initiative membership structure, levels, fees and governance model are outlined at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=8 . A complete membership and chair list is available at http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members. About the June 24 Kantara Initiative Public Webcast Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive director, Kantara Initiative, Roger Sullivan and J.Trent Adams, the public webcast, Kantara Initiative, Shaping the Future of Digital Identity, takes place on Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT. The one-hour event will provide participants with an overview of Kantara Initiative including a review of goals, structure and opportunities for all members of the global identity community to participate in the organization. Registration and more information is available at http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5 Follow Kantara Initiative (#Kantara) on Twitter: http://twitter.com/KantaraNews Follow Kantara Initiative on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative Follow Kantara Initiative on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/ Follow Kantara Initiative on SlideShare: http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative Follow the Kantara Initiative Blog: http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=29 CONTACT: Russ DeVeau Kantara Initiative www.kantarainitiative.org Mobile: 908-251-1549 Office - 954-530-2850 russd at projectliberty.org<mailto:russd at projectliberty.org> russdeveau at comcast.net<mailto:russdeveau at comcast.net> Cheers, Brian ___________ Brian Kissel<http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254> CEO, JanRain - OpenID-enable your websites, customers, partners, and employees 5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite 375, Portland, OR 97239 Email: bkissel at janrain.com<mailto:bkissel at janrain.com> Cell: 503.866.4424 Fax: 503.296.5502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Jun 17, 2009, at 9:41 AM, Brian Kissel wrote: > FYI http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/06-17-2009/0005045549&EDATE= > > Kantara Initiative Reshapes Global Identity Landscape Based on > Industry-Wide Collaboration, Announces Initial Focus Areas > > > Representatives from Internet Society and Oracle elected to > leadership positions as growing membership base works to bridge > identity technologies, initiatives and organizations > > WASHINGTON, June 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Nearly 45 organizations from the > global identity and Internet communities today announced the launch > of Kantara Initiative, a new organization formed to solve the > harmonization and interoperability challenges that currently exist > among identity-enabled enterprise, Web 2.0 and Web-based > applications and services. Kantara Initiative has been founded to > collaboratively foster the innovation required for broad adoption of > interoperable identity-enabled solutions across industries, regions > and fixed and mobile networks. As of today's launch, nearly 20 > initial work and discussion groups have been proposed by the growing > Kantara Initiative community. Kantara Initiative will hold a public > webcast to overview the new organization on Wednesday, June, 24 at > 8:00am US PT (3:00pm UTC). > > The launch of Kantara Initiative comes after a year of strategic > planning involving stakeholders representing the entire identity > ecosystem. This planning focused on how to best move the industry > forward as the enterprise identity landscape continues to evolve and > use of social networking and Web 2.0 applications rapidly > proliferates, with growing interaction between these three markets > driving new use cases and identity requirements. With zero barriers > to participation and founding principles based on transparency, > inclusion, empowerment, innovation, collaboration and openness, > members of the community are leveraging the successes and > experiences of each other to drive holistic, interoperable and > trusted identity solutions into the global marketplace. > > "The identity product and service market grows more complex every > month, and as the market gets more moving parts, there are more and > more requirements for all those parts to work together. The parts > aren't going to work together unless the part makers work together > -- and that's why today's announcement is important," said Bob > Blakley, principal analyst, The Burton Group. "The Kantara > Initiative is helping to bridge identity initiatives and > organizations, which can help set the stage for better collaboration > in the global identity sector." > > Board of Trustees and Leadership Council - Fostering Innovation and > Collaboration Based on a Bicameral Governance Model > > The Kantara Initiative has been established based on a bicameral > governance model where the Board of Trustees and Leadership Council > work hand-in-hand as peers in steering the direction of the > organization. The bicameral model ensures that all members and > participants can have a voice within Kantara Initiative. > > With today's news, Roger Sullivan, vice president Oracle Identity > Management, has been elected president of the 2009 Kantara > Initiative Board of Trustees and J. Trent Adams, outreach > specialist, trust & identity, Internet Society, has been elected > chair of the Leadership Council. Initial Board of Trustee members > include AOL, BT, CA, Intel, Internet Society, Fidelity Investments, > Novell, NRI, NTT, Oracle, PayPal and Sun Microsystems. > Representatives from Intel and the New Zealand government have > Leadership Council seats on the Board of Trustees. > > According to Sullivan, "The problems the global identity industry > faces today are not just about technology, but rather a combination > of business policy and privacy requirements, balanced against > interoperability, usability, as well as technology harmonization. > All of these issues need to be addressed for identity-enabled > solutions to succeed and for deployers to leverage their benefits. > Kantara Initiative is uniquely positioned to address these needs." > > A Holistic View - Technology, Policy and Proven Interoperability > > The Kantara Initiative structure has been designed to foster the > development of new identity-related technology and policy > initiatives from initial proof-of-concept and incubation, to go-to- > market and long-term adoption strategies. Existing projects moving > into Kantara Initiative will benefit from additional community input > which will include identifying new use cases, support for adding > functionality, and opportunities for proving interoperability with > other projects, initiatives and technologies. > > All output from Kantara Initiative will be based on open standards > with the goal of ensuring end user convenience, security and > privacy. A commitment to open standards means the Kantara Initiative > community will collaborate on projects that make use of all of the > identity frameworks, protocols and specifications in the marketplace > today. This means solutions could be built based on one or a > combination of several IAF, ID-WSF, IGF, Information Card, OAuth, > OpenID SAML 2.0, WS-*, XACML and XDI standards. > > Focus Spanning Identity Initiatives - Nearly 20 Work and Discussion > Groups in Progress Today > > The Kantara Initiative name, which is Swahili for "bridge" and has > Arabic roots in "harmony," was announced at the April 2009 RSA > Conference and since then members of the identity community have > proposed nearly 20 initial work and discussion groups. All groups > are open to every Kantara Initiative member as well as to the > public, and anyone can suggest a new group to the Leadership Council > at any time. Groups are formed by members and participants to > address common issues and problems related to specific industries. > > Proposed groups, which are being approved on an ongoing basis by the > Leadership Council, include Concordia Use Cases, eGovernment, > Federated Identity Model Agreement & Commentary (FIMAC), Health > Identity and Assurance, Identity Assurance and Accreditation, > Identity Provider Selection, Identity Theft Prevention, ID-WSF > Evolution (OAuth Extensions), Japan, Multi-Protocol Identity > Selector, Multi-Protocol Relying Party Deployment, Privacy and > Public Policy, Telecommunications Identity, User Driven Information > Technology and Volunteered Personal Information (VPI). A list of all > of the groups in progress is available at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=6 > > "It's clear that Kantara Initiative brings together the right mix of > collaborators to help shepherd the next generation of identity > solutions. Specifically, our goal is to facilitate the development > of solutions that are interoperable, secure and privacy-respecting. > And importantly, the work is being done in an open and transparent > fashion," said Adams. "Collaboration between identity communities > and initiatives within Kantara Initiative will lead to more trusted > identity-enabled applications and services. This fits squarely into > the Internet Society vision of an Internet Ecosystem where the > continued development and adoption of Internet technologies includes > a broad range of participants with dispersed ownership and control." > > About Kantara Initiative > > Kantara Initiative has been formed by Concordia Project, > DataPortablity Project, Information Card Foundation, Internet > Society, Liberty Alliance, OpenLiberty.org and XDI.org. The Kantara > Initiative membership structure is unique in that it has been > organized to ensure that there are zero barriers to participation. > Membership levels allow for maximum industry-wide participation and > include Participant, Member and Trustee categories, which > individuals and organizations join depending on the size of the > organization and type of desired participation. The Kantara > Initiative membership structure, levels, fees and governance model > are outlined at http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=8 . > A complete membership and chair list is available athttp://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/GI/Current+Members > . > > About the June 24 Kantara Initiative Public Webcast > > Hosted by Brett McDowell, executive director, Kantara Initiative, > Roger Sullivan and J.Trent Adams, the public webcast, Kantara > Initiative, Shaping the Future of Digital Identity, takes place on > Wednesday, June, 24 at 8:00am US PT. The one-hour event will provide > participants with an overview of Kantara Initiative including a > review of goals, structure and opportunities for all members of the > global identity community to participate in the organization. > Registration and more information is available at http://tinyurl.com/nsw3n5 > > Follow Kantara Initiative (#Kantara) on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/KantaraNews > > Follow Kantara Initiative on YouTube: > http://www.youtube.com/user/KantaraInitiative > > Follow Kantara Initiative on Flickr: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kantarainitiative/ > > Follow Kantara Initiative on SlideShare: > http://www.slideshare.net/kantarainitiative > > Follow the Kantara Initiative Blog: > http://kantarainitiative.org/wordpress/?page_id=29 > > > CONTACT: > > Russ DeVeau > Kantara Initiative > www.kantarainitiative.org > Mobile: 908-251-1549 > Office - 954-530-2850 > russd at projectliberty.org > russdeveau at comcast.net > > > Cheers, > > Brian > ___________ > > Brian Kissel > CEO, JanRain - OpenID-enable your websites, customers, partners, and > employees > 5331 SW Macadam Ave., Suite 375, Portland, OR 97239 > Email: bkissel at janrain.com Cell: 503.866.4424 Fax: > 503.296.5502 > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > board at openid.net > http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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