[OpenID board] board Digest, Vol 25, Issue 31

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: International Liaison board vote (Scott Kveton)
   2. Re: International Liaison board vote (Chris Messina)
   3. NetSquared notice of OIDF search for an ED (Chris Messina)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:52:44 -0800
From: "Scott Kveton" <scott at kveton.com>
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] International Liaison board vote
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> Good point David.  Scott and Dick (or others who may know), what are the
> requirements for advanced notification regarding board votes when not being
> done real time during a board meeting?

As per section 4.9 of the OpenID Foundation bylaws:

https://openid.pbwiki.com/Bylaws#Section49ActionbyWrittenBallot

We can use a written ballot (email will suffice for each board member
so we need to add the electronic voting tool to the bylaws) and
require the following:

* The motion or proposed action
* Motion must indicate the number of responses needed to meet quorum
and percentage of approvals to pass
* Provide an opportunity to specify approval or disapproval of each
proposed action
* Specify a reasonable time within which to return the ballot to this
corporation

As per section 4.9 the written ballot is treated as a "special
meeting" and is subject to "reasonable time" (7 days) from section
4.4:

https://openid.pbwiki.com/Bylaws#Section44NoticeofMeetings

FYI,

- Scott


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:42:38 -0800
From: "Chris Messina" <chris.messina at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] International Liaison board vote
To: david at sixapart.com, board at openid.net
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I think that the medium to some degree determines when transparency applies.

I'm sensitive to Brian's point that revealing the current voting
trends could lead to a kind of groupthink behavior, where those who,
say, haven't participated in the discussions recently, will vote with
the majority.

That said, while consistency between BOD calls and online polls seems
desirable, there is a qualitative difference in our ability to
deliberate openly and discuss the issue of the vote in real-time
before taking a vote, whereas online, discussions can span much longer
periods of time and involve a greater number of participants, on and
off the mailing list.

One aspect that might persuade me to want voting tallies to be made
public while the vote is underway is the number of eligible voters on
a vote. For example, the current voting description says that "Members
can cast 1 vote" -- does that mean that ALL members of the OIDF can
vote? This seems like a rather larger potential number of voters than
on a typical board call ? in which case transparency would work
against our cause (playing to Brian's groupthink point).

According to Section 3.1b of the Bylaws, regular members are entitled
to vote, as they were in the elections, so it therefore appears that
the larger number of potential voters suggests that tally of web-based
polls ought be kept confidential until the vote expires.

While we're on this subject, I strongly think that we need better
guidelines and procedures when calling a vote. I don't want to
overwhelm us with process, but a simple outline of what's at stake,
who's proposing it, how things are currently done and any discussion
-- would be extremely helpful in informing the membership of why a
vote has been called and what the desired outcome is.

To that end, I started a stub page which could use some work --
hopefully from folks who are more familiar with the voting process.
The Bylaws are noticeably weak in terms of guidance on how normal
polls are conducted, so perhaps this page could help us flesh out the
optimal procedure.

https://openid.pbwiki.com/Polls

Chris

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, David Recordon <david at sixapart.com> wrote:
> Agreed with DeWitt.  I believe there are also requirements in terms of
> notice and period of the vote in the bylaws which Dick and Scott looked into
> a month or two ago.
> I also would like to see us come up with some informal guidelines about how
> much prior discussion should be allowed for before an online vote.  On the
> phone we have time to discuss a matter and I'd hate to see us use the online
> tool as a mechanism to ever cut short fruitful discussion ?-- which I am
> *not* saying happened in this case ?-- and force a vote.
> --David
>
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:25 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
>
> [Moving to the board public list.]
>
> Thanks, Brian.  That worked rather well.  I really appreciate the online
> ballots.
>
> Each BoD member's voting record will be made public after the ballot closes,
> correct?  I know our meeting minutes sometimes, but not always, record who
> voted which way in the case of non-unanimous decisions.  The inconsistency
> is likely just because we haven't discussed a policy here, not any
> intentional effort to keep things secret.  Personally I'd rather we just
> established the policy to always make the BoD voting records public, but I'd
> be interested to hear arguments for or against.
>
> I also noticed that, for this ballot, the running record is being hidden
> from the electorate.  For a BoD vote we can probably make the ongoing record
> visible to the eligible voters; just like it would be if we voted
> in-person.  We should strive to be consistent between the online and offline
> processes so there is no question about one being more or less legitimate.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -DeWitt
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Brian Kissel <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> For some reason the email notification for the polling system is still not
>> working.  Please go to https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls and
>> select the International Liaison to OIDF board Executive Committee poll.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Brian
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:45:57 -0800
From: "Chris Messina" <chris.messina at gmail.com>
Subject: [OpenID board] NetSquared notice of OIDF search for an ED
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Thought I'd tap my non-profit connections and have my buddy Billy
Bicket at Compumentor/TechSoup post about our hunt for an ED. I know
that we have candidates already, but it didn't seem like it'd hurt to
get the word out to the non-profit tech space:

http://www.netsquared.org/blog/amysampleward/openid-foundation-looking-executive-director

Chris

-- 
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  Open Web Advocate-at-Large

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