[OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
Dick Hardt
dick.hardt at gmail.com
Tue Nov 4 19:42:45 UTC 2008
I understand the logic of not self-selecting community board seats --
and saying we are going to have an election in a few weeks likely will
drive membership given the recent OpenID awareness.
I don't understand why you are uncomfortable adding new corporate
board members. Would you elaborate?
-- Dick
On 4-Nov-08, at 12:21 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
> I remain uncomfortable adding any new board members, corporate or
> otherwise, until we hold the election.
>
> Admittedly, back around Feb/March this year I was vocal about
> wanting us to have a larger membership base before holding
> elections. A membership drive was one way to do that. Another was
> my suggestion to drop membership fees.
>
> But now I'm reversing my earlier position. (Had I known the
> election would be pushed all the way into 2009 waiting for a
> membership drive, then I wouldn't have taken that position to begin
> with.)
>
> So I recommend we just go ahead and hold the election now. Worst
> case, we have a board that represents a smaller membership than we'd
> like. I'd still prefer that over self-selecting new community board
> members.
>
> -DeWitt
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> It will be a while before we can have a real election.
>
> We agreed we would finish our messaging so that we could then market
> to the membership so that it is clear the value of membership. Then
> we can have nominations, then we can vote.
>
> We are still a little ways from having the messaging done. A
> marketing drive and nomination process likely will take a couple
> weeks each at least. We are minimum a couple months from having an
> election unfortunately.
>
> -- Dick
>
> On 4-Nov-08, at 11:09 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
>
>> Rather than do it this way, why don't we simply start an open
>> nomination process (i.e., not nominations made by the board) and
>> schedule a real community election, as voted in by the members?
>>
>> -DeWitt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Drummond Reed <drummond.reed at cordance.net
>> > wrote:
>> +1 to Snorri's nomination – his work speaks for itself.
>>
>>
>> =Drummond
>>
>>
>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>> Behalf Of David Recordon
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:42 AM
>> To: board at openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
>>
>>
>> If we're in nomination mode, then I'd also like to nominate Snorri
>> to join as a community board member (if he is willing to accept
>> that nomination). Snorri has done amazing community work
>> internationally which should be directly supported by the Foundation.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Drummond Reed wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 to all Brian's points here. I want to clarify again that my
>> objection last week was not to moving forward on this – I am very
>> supportive of adding additional corporate board members immediately
>> -- it was only to the difficulty of closing what turned out to be a
>> contentious issue via an email vote.
>>
>>
>> I am all for holding a vote this week if we want to call a meeting.
>> Worst case we could hold the vote at the BOD meeting next Monday
>> afternoon at IIW. (Have we set an exact time/location for that
>> meeting? Will there be dial-in so all board members can participate
>> if they are not at IIW in person?)
>>
>>
>> Also, in terms of community board members, I would like to nominate
>> Brian Kissel to join as a community board member (if he is willing
>> to accept that nomination). I'd move for that vote to be held at
>> the same time so he could join the board at the same time as the
>> new corporate board members.
>>
>>
>> =Drummond
>>
>>
>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Kissel
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:47 PM
>> To: board at openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
>>
>>
>> +1 with Dick on additional corporate members. I've had
>> conversations with BBC (Zac Bjelogrlic, Dirk-willem Van.gulik ) and
>> PayPal (Andrew Nash) and know that both organizations would both
>> like to join. I don't know who else in on the list of possible new
>> members, but if we have up to 5 corporate spots to fill and these
>> two firms are willing to make a commitment of time and dollars, I
>> think we should not delay.
>>
>>
>> BBC has already shown their leadership by hosting the Content
>> Provider Advisory Committee meeting in NYC several weeks ago.
>> They've also OpenID enabled RadioPop and are looking at additional
>> properties to roll out. They've offered to work with NPR (who was
>> also at the NYC session) to see if we can get BBC, NPR, PBS, and
>> CBC to collaborate on OpenID enablement initiatives. And in any
>> case, we need some large representative RPs on the BOD. As I've
>> said before, I think media companies are a next logical adopter of
>> OpenID, so would welcome BBC's membership.
>>
>>
>> PayPal would also be great because they have a lot of experience in
>> managing phishing and general security infrastructure and represent
>> the perspective of merchants and payment infrastructure providers,
>> which we need represented on the BOD if we want to continue to
>> expand the applicability and value of OpenID beyond user generated
>> content access.
>>
>>
>> I don't know if these are the companies we're thinking about voting
>> on near term, but if so, I would strongly endorse their
>> membership. I also agree with Dick that getting the funding
>> commitment from these two companies in uncertain financial times is
>> critical and will actually help with hiring the new ED and coming
>> up with a reasonable budget for the various initiatives we'll want
>> to undertake in 2009. For those that didn't see Nat Sakimura's
>> announcement about OpenID Japan, they are making great progress and
>> we need to have equally compelling aspirations.
>>
>>
>> With respect to community membership, JanRain would certainly
>> welcome the opportunity to contribute as a BOD member, but we'll
>> continue to participate via my membership on the Marketing and
>> Customer Research Committee regardless.
>>
>>
>> We are working with Research Media to get the OpenID membership
>> polling solution working this week and the BOD election system
>> working next week. Regardless of that, I don't think we should
>> wait on the BOD vote the two additional corporate members.
>>
>>
>> There is a lot of good buzz going on right now with the Microsoft
>> and Google announcements. If we could also announce these two new
>> corporate BOD members at IIW, that we can continue to build on that
>> momentum.
>>
>>
>> So, IMHO, we should do the vote on the 2 additional corporate
>> sponsors right now (assuming they are still willing) and finalize
>> them this week. If we want to wait on community members, that's
>> fine with me.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ==============
>>
>> Brian Kissel
>>
>> Cell: 503.866.4424
>>
>> Fax: 503.296.5502
>>
>>
>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:54 PM
>> To: board at openid.net
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
>>
>>
>> I don't see any advantage to the coupling of hiring an ED and
>> bringing on new board members. Any ED is going to look at the risk
>> of getting paid. Bringing in money before hand is a good sign. In
>> the current economic climate, making a donation to a Foundation is
>> going to come under increased scrutiny.
>>
>>
>> The bylaws allow the board to appoint temporary community board
>> members as need be -- something we would want to do in case someone
>> needs to resign for some reason.
>>
>>
>> Only bringing on corporate members one at elections does not serve
>> us well. We have a product, which is membership, and we should
>> remove barriers to selling it rather then raising it -- and
>> requiring the timing to coincide with an election does not serve
>> anyone well -- except those that want to make board membership
>> exclusive.
>>
>>
>> We have been working on having elections since last March.
>>
>>
>> As noted in my financial report, not bringing these corporate
>> members on board was a bad financial decision.
>>
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>>
>> On 24-Oct-08, at 6:49 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sort of. I think we should have finished the discussion about how
>> to proceed with a full five new corporate board members, timed that
>> around the hiring of the new ED, and ideally scheduled all of it
>> around the election of new community members. With those three
>> pieces in place we then could make a coordinated engagement on all
>> three. Four pieces, in fact, as we can count the CRC in there as
>> well.
>>
>> I share your frustration, Dick, and I agree that sometimes a vote
>> makes a good forcing function. It's taken far too long to get
>> where we are, and I happen to concur that those were fine
>> nominees. And I especially welcome Brian's continued leadership in
>> any case.
>>
>> Hopefully this is the kick in the pants we need to close in
>> expediently on the missing pieces. And then I'd welcome seeing
>> this come up for a vote again in the near future.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -DeWitt
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Dick Hardt <dick.hardt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a suggestion on how this should have been done
>> differently by me?
>>
>>
>> I made the motion on the board call and agreed to withdraw it until
>> after the membership committee report was published, and then we
>> could do the vote over email. Agreed that the vote should have been
>> started on the public list -- but we are here now.
>>
>>
>> Do you have a new motion to bring the nominees on the board that
>> you would support that we could act upon?
>>
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24-Oct-08, at 5:17 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
>>
>>
>> This is not a vote against any of the nominees, but procedurally
>> and organizationally we can do better than this. Hence to the
>> motion as it stands at this time:
>>
>> -1
>>
>> -DeWitt
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Raj Mata <rajmata at yahoo-inc.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> -1.
>>
>> Agree with Gary.
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>>
>> Behalf Of Krall, Gary
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:42 PM
>> To: board at openid.net
>>
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
>>
>> -1.
>>
>> As we are actively in the process of recruiting for a Executive
>> Director
>> which my understanding is should complete shortly coupled; with the
>> manner in which this vote has been requested/handled is a clear
>> indication to me that adding any additional members at this time
>> would
>> not be prudent.
>>
>> Gary.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net]On
>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:48 AM
>> To: board at openid.net
>> Subject: [OpenID board] URGENT: New Board members motion
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>> (this motion was originally posted on the board-private list to
>> protect the confidentiality of the potential corporate board members
>> -- reposting to public list to provide transparency to community)
>>
>> Background:
>>
>> There are two corporations that have expressed interest in joining
>> the
>> OpenID Foundation for the last six months. The board approved
>> adding 5
>> new corporate board seats, to be balanced with community seats so
>> that
>> the community seats have a majority.
>> Brian Kissel has been active on the marketing committee and the
>> customer research committee. He organized a gathering of content
>> providers in NY that led to the OpoenID UX summit last Monday.
>> The primary source of funding for the Foundation is corporate board
>> seats. In order to fund a new Executive Director and OpenID adoption
>> initiatives, we need more funding. The patience of the two
>> corporations is running thin as they have been waiting for far to
>> long
>> for a decision from the board.
>>
>> The motion: Add the two corporate board seats and add Brian Kissel as
>> the community seat. Brian's seat (like all other community board
>> seats) would be up for re-election when we hold an election.
>>
>> All board members need to vote or abstain for the motion to be
>> considered.
>>
>> Votes to date:
>>
>> +1 Dick Hardt (made motion)
>> +1 Martin Atkins (seconded motion)
>> -1 David Recordon
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