<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Thanks for sharing.</div><div>And well, this shouldn't surprise anyone. This was exactly the basis of my session at EIC this year, based on this paper published last December in TIme:<br><a href="https://time.com/7202784/ai-research-strategic-lying/">https://time.com/7202784/ai-research-strategic-lying/</a> </div><div><br></div>Also some findings from the Apollo research Group:<br><a href="https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6593e7097565990e65c886fd/t/6751eb240ed3821a0161b45b/1733421863119/in_context_scheming_reasoning_paper.pdf">https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6593e7097565990e65c886fd/t/6751eb240ed3821a0161b45b/1733421863119/in_context_scheming_reasoning_paper.pdf</a><div><br></div><div>In short, the more evolved the AI, the more prone it is to scheming and lying, even for what it perceives as "our own good" (the Anthropic example from the Time article above). There is nothing to be done about that: the models are a black box, they will lie even when trained to be good.</div><div><br></div><div>So the work we do is not only important to protect AI-based systems from humans, but I think even more importantly to protect us from AI.</div><div><br></div><div>./\.</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 5, 2025 at 1:11 PM Tom Jones via Openid-aiim <<a href="mailto:openid-aiim@lists.openid.net">openid-aiim@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div id="m_-7089344838905036509eZ8kXEVUKDgVQEjR3vKpP-user-message" aria-labelledby="eZ8kXEVUKDgVQEjR3vKpP-user-message" role="article"><div><div><div>Cloudflare Exposes Perplexity for Impersonating Google to Scrape Data</div></div></div></div><i role="none" aria-hidden="true"></i><i role="none" aria-hidden="true"></i><div aria-labelledby="LNVSY9gjHKphUu6EoocMp-author LNVSY9gjHKphUu6EoocMp-content-0" role="article"><div></div><div><div id="m_-7089344838905036509gmail-LNVSY9gjHKphUu6EoocMp-content-0"><p><strong>Cloudflare vs. Perplexity: A Data Ethics Clash</strong></p><p>This latest revelation raises a red flag in the ongoing debate about how AI companies source their data. According to <button type="button">a LinkedIn post</button> shared by a trusted former U.S. government technologist, Cloudflare discovered that the AI startup Perplexity was disguising its bot traffic as Google Chrome to circumvent site restrictions—essentially scraping data in ways that many see as deceptive.</p><h3>Key Allegations</h3><ul><li><p><strong>Browser Spoofing</strong>: Perplexity’s systems allegedly mimicked Chrome’s browser identity to bypass blocks on web crawlers.</p></li><li><p><strong>Caught in a “Data Trap”</strong>: Cloudflare set up infrastructure specifically to detect unauthorized scraping, which flagged Perplexity’s activity.</p></li><li><p><strong>Comparisons to Bad Actors</strong>: Cloudflare CEO likened the behavior to tactics used by North Korean hackers—strong language that signals deep concern.</p></li></ul><h3>Broader Implications</h3><ul><li><p><strong>Tensions Rise</strong>: The incident spotlights friction between AI startups hungry for training data and content providers aiming to protect their intellectual property.</p></li><li><p><strong>Ethical Reckoning</strong>: As AI tools increasingly rely on scraped web content, many creators are demanding both transparency and compensation.</p></li><li><p><strong>Technical Countermeasures</strong>: Cloudflare is now offering enhanced tools for sites to block unwanted AI crawlers, an attempt to rebalance digital power dynamics.</p></li></ul><p>This isn't just a story about one company stepping over the line—it’s a signal flare in the battle for ethical AI development. Where do we draw the boundary between open data and exploitation?</p></div></div></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><font face="-apple-system, system-ui, system-ui, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Fira Sans, Ubuntu, Oxygen, Oxygen Sans, Cantarell, Droid Sans, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Lucida Grande, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" color="#38761d"><span style="font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(242,242,242)">Peace ..tom jones</span></font></div></div></div></div>
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