<div dir="ltr">Amen!<div><br></div><div>-cmort</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Paul Madsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank">paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <font face="Arial">this reminds me of the IETF SCIM-reacronymizing
      exercise<br>
      <br>
      the group was approved & chartered under the name 'Native SSO'
      . Those who understand what the intent of the work is all agree
      that the name is an accurate description of the work.<br>
      <br>
      Tony didnt like the name as proposed in the charter - but it was
      approved nonetheless. <br>
      <br>
      So why are we still arguing?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
      <br>
      paul <br>
      </font></span><br>
      ps. I wonder if the proposers of 'Backplane', or '</font><font face="Arial">
      
    </font>AB/Connec<span>t</span><font face="Arial">' ,both wonderfully descriptive, faced the same<br>
      <br>
    </font><div><div class="h5">
    <div>On 7/17/13 3:07 PM, Mike Jones wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
            you’d prefer that the work be called something closer to
            “Native Application Authorization”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Anthony Nadalin
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:50 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Paul Madsen; Don Thibeau<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>;
                John Ehrig<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> RE: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO
                Working Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            would have been too young back in the 90s<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
            don’t like SSO in the name as this is basically this is just
            a way to authorize an app to interact with one or more
            resource serves on your behalf<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="13fee6bb628f6a56__MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Paul Madsen [<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com" target="_blank">mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Don Thibeau<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Anthony Nadalin; Mike Jones; John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">
                  specs@openid.net</a>; John Ehrig<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO
                Working Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
            am 99% confident that *our* beloved Tony was not part of the
            R&B group from Oakland, briefly popular in the 90s.....<br>
            <br>
            <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony%21_Toni%21_Ton%C3%A9" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9</a>!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/17/13 2:33 PM, Don Thibeau wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal">Paul <u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I don't think "Tony Tony Tony"  is a
              good name for a working group :)<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Don
                    Thibeau<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank">The
                      OpenID Foundation</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul
                  Madsen wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Tony Tony
                      Tony, how I've missed our time together<br>
                      <br>
                      The WG's mandate is to profile OIDC to enable an
                      SSO model for native mobile applications.
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Can you suggest a better (concise & memorable)
                      descriptor for a mail list identifier?<br>
                      <br>
                      paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/17/13 2:17 PM, Anthony
                      Nadalin wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">That’s
                        a totally useless name
                      </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <div>
                      <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                            <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
                            [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Madsen<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:59
                            AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Mike Jones<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> John Bradley; <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net" target="_blank">specs@openid.net</a>;
                            John Ehrig; Don Thibeau<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native
                            application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">that list
                        name is fine<br>
                        <br>
                        thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/17/13 1:51 PM, Mike
                        Jones wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">John,
                          are you able to create the new mailing list at
                          <a href="http://lists.openid.net" target="_blank">lists.openid.net</a>
                          or do we have to ask <a href="mailto:support@osuosl.org" target="_blank">
                            support@osuosl.org</a> for the list
                          creation?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul
                          and other WG creators, what name do you want
                          the list to have?  openid-specs-native-sso?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">                                                           
                          -- Mike</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                      <div>
                        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                              Don Thibeau [<a href="mailto:don@oidf.org" target="_blank">mailto:don@oidf.org</a>]
                              <br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:03
                              AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Paul Madsen<br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> n-sakimura; John Ehrig; <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">
                                openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>; John
                              Bradley; Mike Jones<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [OIDFSC] Native
                              application SSO Working Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">John Ehrig can set up the web
                        site space and the online Docusign process for
                        IPR collection.  If done right away it saves all
                        concerned lots of time and hassle.<u></u><u></u></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Don
                                Thibeau</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">The OpenID
                                  Foundation</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 17, 2013, at
                              7:59 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <u></u><u></u></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks
                                Nat,
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Don, can you direct me to whomever I
                                should work with on the WG list &
                                page logistics?<br>
                                <br>
                                Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/16/13 6:08 AM,
                                n-sakimura wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The WG
                                formation is deemed to be approved per
                                section 4.2 of the OpenID Process
                                Document v.1.5 of 2009.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                A new mailing list should be established
                                promptly per section 4.3 of the above
                                document. Also, a WG web pages should be
                                set up at
                                <a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">openid.net</a>.
                                You should also ask the secretary of the
                                foundation to announce the first meeting
                                of the WG, in which scope approval and
                                the chairs selection should be done.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Note: the first meeting can only be done
                                after the WG has collected the IPR
                                agreement from the participants, so it
                                may not be as quick as you may wish, but
                                it has to be done. BTW, NRI's agreement
                                is already in as we have a blanket
                                agreement like Google.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Nat <br>
                                <br>
                                (2013/07/15 14:56), Paul Madsen wrote: <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <u></u><u></u></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Next steps?
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                ----------- <br>
                                Paul Madsen <br>
                                Ping Identity <br>
                                <br>
                                Anthony Nadalin<a href="mailto:tonynad@microsoft.com" target="_blank"><tonynad@microsoft.com></a> 
                                wrote:
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <u></u><u></u></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I believe
                                if you dig you will see that there is
                                potential for IPR from both Apple and
                                Facebook.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                -----Original Message----- <br>
                                From: <a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
                                [<a href="mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">mailto:openid-specs-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
                                On Behalf Of n-sakimura
                                <br>
                                Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:20 PM <br>
                                To: <a href="mailto:openid-specs@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs@lists.openid.net</a>
                                <br>
                                Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] Native application
                                SSO Working Group <br>
                                <br>
                                Could you kindly spell it out? <br>
                                <br>
                                 From what I have been hearing, Facebook
                                was just using fast application switch,
                                which is nothing more than Self-issued
                                thing that we have, and iOS's native
                                login support given to facebook,
                                twitter, and Weibo.
                                <br>
                                Perhaps you are thinking of something
                                else. <br>
                                <br>
                                Of course, I could be complete wrong. I
                                should probably read <br>
                                    <a href="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/" target="_blank">https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/</a>
                                <br>
                                and <br>
                                <br>
                                <a href="http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233" target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233</a>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                as well. <br>
                                <br>
                                Having said that, if Apple's interface
                                is not open, perhaps it is a task for an
                                industry consortia like OpenID
                                Foundation to go and ask Apple to open
                                up the API for other IdPs as well. Do
                                not know if they are going to listen,
                                but still, it might be our duty to try.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Nat <br>
                                <br>
                                (2013/07/04 7:30), Anthony Nadalin
                                wrote: <br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                <u></u><u></u></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I also have
                                a concern that we might be infringing on
                                the Facebook SSO
                                <br>
                                (iOS) IPR with this effort. <u></u><u></u></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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