[OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group

Paul Madsen paulmadsen at rogers.com
Wed Jul 17 21:24:41 UTC 2013


I can live with 'Native Single Authorization Agent'

I'll let my co-proposers indicate whether they have any concerns.

paul

ps thanks for the feedback Tony - as valuable as ever


On 7/17/13 5:05 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
>
> Actually, per the rules, the working group **hasn't** been approved 
> yet, Nat's note notwithstanding.  I say that because you updated the 
> proposed charter on 7/4, Paul, to reflect my comments and the two week 
> auto-approval period if there is no action from the specifications 
> council has not yet elapsed.
>
> Accordingly, as a specs council member, I hereby file an objection to 
> the name Native Application SSO because I believe it is less accurate 
> than it could be, and request that the name be changed to "Native 
> Single Authorization Agent", with the mailing list name 
> openid-specs-nssa.  If those changes are acceptable to the proposers, 
> I'll withdraw my objection.
>
> -- Mike
>
> *From:*Chuck Mortimore [mailto:cmortimore at salesforce.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:59 PM
> *To:* Paul Madsen
> *Cc:* Mike Jones; John Bradley; specs at openid.net; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau
> *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group
>
> Amen!
>
> -cmort
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Paul Madsen <paulmadsen at rogers.com 
> <mailto:paulmadsen at rogers.com>> wrote:
>
> this reminds me of the IETF SCIM-reacronymizing exercise
>
> the group was approved & chartered under the name 'Native SSO' . Those 
> who understand what the intent of the work is all agree that the name 
> is an accurate description of the work.
>
> Tony didnt like the name as proposed in the charter - but it was 
> approved nonetheless.
>
> So why are we still arguing?
>
> paul
>
> ps. I wonder if the proposers of 'Backplane', or ' AB/Connect' ,both 
> wonderfully descriptive, faced the same
>
> On 7/17/13 3:07 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
>
>     So you'd prefer that the work be called something closer to
>     "Native Application Authorization"?
>
>     *From:*Anthony Nadalin
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:50 AM
>     *To:* Paul Madsen; Don Thibeau
>     *Cc:* Mike Jones; John Bradley; specs at openid.net
>     <mailto:specs at openid.net>; John Ehrig
>     *Subject:* RE: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group
>
>     I would have been too young back in the 90s
>
>     I don't like SSO in the name as this is basically this is just a
>     way to authorize an app to interact with one or more resource
>     serves on your behalf
>
>     *From:*Paul Madsen [mailto:paulmadsen at rogers.com]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:39 AM
>     *To:* Don Thibeau
>     *Cc:* Anthony Nadalin; Mike Jones; John Bradley; specs at openid.net
>     <mailto:specs at openid.net>; John Ehrig
>     *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working Group
>
>     I am 99% confident that *our* beloved Tony was not part of the R&B
>     group from Oakland, briefly popular in the 90s.....
>
>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony!_Toni!_Ton%C3%A9
>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony%21_Toni%21_Ton%C3%A9>!
>
>     On 7/17/13 2:33 PM, Don Thibeau wrote:
>
>         Paul
>
>         I don't think "Tony Tony Tony"  is a good name for a working
>         group :)
>
>         Don Thibeau
>
>         The OpenID Foundation <http://openid.net>
>
>         On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul Madsen wrote:
>
>             Tony Tony Tony, how I've missed our time together
>
>             The WG's mandate is to profile OIDC to enable an SSO model
>             for native mobile applications.
>
>             Can you suggest a better (concise & memorable) descriptor
>             for a mail list identifier?
>
>             paul
>
>             On 7/17/13 2:17 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:
>
>                 That's a totally useless name
>
>                 *From:*openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net
>                 <mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net>
>                 [mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net] *On
>                 Behalf Of *Paul Madsen
>                 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:59 AM
>                 *To:* Mike Jones
>                 *Cc:* John Bradley; specs at openid.net
>                 <mailto:specs at openid.net>; John Ehrig; Don Thibeau
>                 *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO Working
>                 Group
>
>                 that list name is fine
>
>                 thanks
>
>                 On 7/17/13 1:51 PM, Mike Jones wrote:
>
>                     John, are you able to create the new mailing list
>                     at lists.openid.net <http://lists.openid.net> or
>                     do we have to ask support at osuosl.org
>                     <mailto:support at osuosl.org> for the list creation?
>
>                     Paul and other WG creators, what name do you want
>                     the list to have? openid-specs-native-sso?
>
>                     -- Mike
>
>                     *From:*Don Thibeau [mailto:don at oidf.org]
>                     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:03 AM
>                     *To:* Paul Madsen
>                     *Cc:* n-sakimura; John Ehrig;
>                     openid-specs at lists.openid.net
>                     <mailto:openid-specs at lists.openid.net>; John
>                     Bradley; Mike Jones
>                     *Subject:* Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO
>                     Working Group
>
>                     John Ehrig can set up the web site space and the
>                     online Docusign process for IPR collection.  If
>                     done right away it saves all concerned lots of
>                     time and hassle.
>
>                     Don Thibeau
>
>                     The OpenID Foundation <http://openid.net/>
>
>                     On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:
>
>
>
>                     Thanks Nat,
>
>                     Don, can you direct me to whomever I should work
>                     with on the WG list & page logistics?
>
>                     Paul
>
>                     On 7/16/13 6:08 AM, n-sakimura wrote:
>
>                         The WG formation is deemed to be approved per
>                         section 4.2 of the OpenID Process Document
>                         v.1.5 of 2009.
>
>                         A new mailing list should be established
>                         promptly per section 4.3 of the above
>                         document. Also, a WG web pages should be set
>                         up at openid.net <http://openid.net/>. You
>                         should also ask the secretary of the
>                         foundation to announce the first meeting of
>                         the WG, in which scope approval and the chairs
>                         selection should be done.
>
>                         Note: the first meeting can only be done after
>                         the WG has collected the IPR agreement from
>                         the participants, so it may not be as quick as
>                         you may wish, but it has to be done. BTW,
>                         NRI's agreement is already in as we have a
>                         blanket agreement like Google.
>
>                         Nat
>
>                         (2013/07/15 14:56), Paul Madsen wrote:
>
>                         Next steps?
>
>                         -----------
>                         Paul Madsen
>                         Ping Identity
>
>                         Anthony Nadalin<tonynad at microsoft.com>
>                         <mailto:tonynad at microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>                         I believe if you dig you will see that there
>                         is potential for IPR from both Apple and
>                         Facebook.
>
>                         -----Original Message-----
>                         From: openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net
>                         <mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net>
>                         [mailto:openid-specs-bounces at lists.openid.net]
>                         On Behalf Of n-sakimura
>                         Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:20 PM
>                         To: openid-specs at lists.openid.net
>                         <mailto:openid-specs at lists.openid.net>
>                         Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] Native application SSO
>                         Working Group
>
>                         Could you kindly spell it out?
>
>                          From what I have been hearing, Facebook was
>                         just using fast application switch, which is
>                         nothing more than Self-issued thing that we
>                         have, and iOS's native login support given to
>                         facebook, twitter, and Weibo.
>                         Perhaps you are thinking of something else.
>
>                         Of course, I could be complete wrong. I should
>                         probably read
>                         https://developers.facebook.com/docs/howtos/ios-6/
>
>                         and
>
>                         http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233
>                         <http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/Social/Reference/Social_Framework/_index.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012233>
>
>
>                         as well.
>
>                         Having said that, if Apple's interface is not
>                         open, perhaps it is a task for an industry
>                         consortia like OpenID Foundation to go and ask
>                         Apple to open up the API for other IdPs as
>                         well. Do not know if they are going to listen,
>                         but still, it might be our duty to try.
>
>                         Nat
>
>                         (2013/07/04 7:30), Anthony Nadalin wrote:
>
>                         I also have a concern that we might be
>                         infringing on the Facebook SSO
>                         (iOS) IPR with this effort.
>
>
>
>
>                         -- 
>                         Nat Sakimura (n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
>                         <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp>)
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