Attribute Exchange 2.0

John Bradley john.bradley at wingaa.com
Wed Sep 16 22:43:57 UTC 2009


It is probably worth running this by the OIDF board to see how they  
feel about it.

John B.
On 2009-09-16, at 6:29 PM, Paul Trevithick wrote:

> We should define a mapping to a URL form so that the sorry things  
> can be dereferenceable even though you’re quite right that they’ll  
> be used in native URN form until the cows come home.
>
> Mapping becomes easier when we have a std way to associate metadata  
> with the attribute URL. And that’s through dereferencing. Or at  
> least that seems like one great way.
>
> As for location, it should be outside of OIDF because OIDF is a  
> single-protocol place. It should be in the most neutral place we can  
> think of. That’s why a bunch of us suggested Identity Commons. But  
> if most folks wish to start up some new, neutral place that’s  
> focused on this attribute/schema area, that’s fine too.  I’d suggest  
> Identity Commons.
>
> On 9/16/09 6:19 PM, "John Bradley" <john.bradley at wingaa.com> wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of systems that use URN to reference LDAP stores etc.
>>
>> I don't thing that govenment and other communitys are going to  
>> change overnight.
>>
>> I also think that having derefrencable claims/attributes/assertions  
>> is a good thing.
>>
>> If we used common URL for them it would make life sooo much easier.
>>
>> If we had mappings between them it would improve things as well.
>>
>> If we could agree on a basic set for AX that would be wonderful.
>>
>> So one question is should the AX attribute URI be inside or outside  
>> the OIDF.
>>
>> If outside then where?
>>
>> John B.
>>
>> On 2009-09-16, at 6:08 PM, Paul Trevithick wrote:
>>
>>> As Dick knows, I’ve been long saying we should find a common place  
>>> for this. The ICF created its attribute/claim catalog and I  
>>> already regret it to some extent. In its charter it said that the  
>>> URIs would be dereferenceable to some common place—almost  
>>> certainly not at the ICF, BTW.
>>>
>>> And unless Dick has changed his mind all must be URIs and all must  
>>> be dereferenceable to metadata descriptions. Mark Wahl and I and  
>>> others started identitychemas.org <http://identitychemas.org>  as  
>>> one possible place (though we’ve not done anything with it for a  
>>> couple of years). But if folks want it somewhere else, that’s fine  
>>> with me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/16/09 5:44 PM, "John Bradley" <john.bradley at wingaa.com <x-msg://73/john.bradley@wingaa.com 
>>> > > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good point.  It would be nice to have one place to document schema.
>>>>
>>>> The ICF has a claims dictionary as well.
>>>>
>>>> If we could consolidate that would be an improvement.
>>>>
>>>> Do people have an opinion on trying to do something cross protocol.
>>>>
>>>> openID, Information Cards, and SAML or should we do something on  
>>>> our
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>> On 2009-09-16, at 5:22 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > axschema.org <http://axschema.org>  is shorter then schemas.openid.net 
>>>>  <http://schemas.openid.net>  and implies the
>>>> > schemas could be used for things other then OpenID
>>>> >
>>>> > given that though, I don't have a strong preference
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2009-09-16, at 2:06 PM, John Bradley wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> As I recall the idea was to move the URI to use schemas.openid.net 
>>>>  <http://schemas.openid.net> .
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is that still the preferred option from your point of view,   
>>>> or do
>>>> >> you see axshema.org <http://axshema.org>  continuing in some  
>>>> way?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> John B.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2009-09-16, at 4:54 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 2009-09-16, at 12:28 PM, John Bradley wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Dick,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> That includes all of the schema work and AX 2.0 documents?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> All the work that Sxip Identity did. I don't recall that  
>>>> anyone else
>>>> >>> contributed.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Who controls axschema.org <http://axschema.org>  now?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I do personally
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
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