Attribute Exchange 2.0

Wed Sep 16 18:36:07 UTC 2009

All the AX contributions made by Sxip Identity are covered by the IPR  
agreement made by Sxip Identity.

-- Dick

On 2009-09-16, at 7:24 AM, John Bradley wrote:

> The work at axschema on attribute value verification was part of  
> Sxip not covered under OIDF IPR.
>
> I don't think there is a problem with it but I don't know that it  
> was covered under Sxip's AX contribution to the OIDF.
>
> This is partly related to the creation of a AX schema that we still  
> need to get a WG started for.
>
> I need to go back and work on the charter for that.
>
> At the moment we don't have URI for AX attributes never mind  
> programatic validation of the values.
>
> Perhaps Dick can fill us in on any IPR issues around the existing  
> work.
>
> John B.
> On 2009-09-16, at 8:58 AM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>
>> Sorry, you're correct, I started at the http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Attribute_Exchange_Extension_2_0 
>>  wiki page. I got confused.
>>
>> Is there some kind of documentation on the previous discussions?
>> The only thing I find missing at the moment is a description about  
>> the validation types per type. And that's not really part of the  
>> draft but more part of the axschema?
>> But i'm not a experienced draft writer.. :-)
>>
>> /Chris
>>
>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 14:47 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> OK. It is not quite 2.0, but a profile of AX. Still, we should do  
>>> it.
>>>
>>> The OpenID process is not as lightweight as I hope, unfortunately.
>>> It is kind of hard to kick start a WG here....
>>>
>>> That is the problem.
>>>
>>> I am trying to change.
>>>
>>> But, I suppose we should not be hang up on it and we should start  
>>> discussing.
>>>
>>> =nat
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Chris Obdam  
>>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl> wrote:
>>>> Hi Nat,
>>>>
>>>> This one:
>>>> http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/attribute_exchange_validate/trunk/openid-attribute-exchange-validate-mode.html
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 13:59 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende  
>>>> geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Let us reopen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which draft do you mean, Chris?
>>>>>
>>>>> =nat
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris Obdam <chris.obdam at holder.nl 
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henrik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I, in a way, also represent a large OP from Holland. ±8 million  
>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We want to enable the RP to check the data. Based on that data  
>>>>>> the RP
>>>>>> doesn't have to do that much checking anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I declare the discussion hereby opened ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @henrik  Do you already use the AX 2 draft somewhere, maybe in  
>>>>>> a test
>>>>>> environment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 11:53 heeft Henrik Biering het volgende  
>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>> I called a session about this at the last IIW in May this  
>>>>>>> year, but id
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not attract much interest. The impression, that I got from  
>>>>>>> this session
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> from other inputs is that the community in general wants to  
>>>>>>> handle trust
>>>>>>> issues completely out of band (federated approach) - with PAPE  
>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>> partial
>>>>>>> exception to the rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Representing an OpenID provider with focus on identity  
>>>>>>> proofing coupled
>>>>>>> with usercentricity and privacy (indeed a very tricky  
>>>>>>> combination) I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be more than happy to have this discussion reopened - as we have
>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>> where generic out of band OP-RP trust is clearly not  
>>>>>>> acceptable to
>>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>>>>> =henrik
>>>>>>> @netamia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Obdam skrev:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John, Allen,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your answers. With validation I mean the OpenID  
>>>>>>>> Attribute
>>>>>>>> Exchange Validate Mode.
>>>>>>>> In this spec there's a validation required per attribute.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "openid.ax.validation.email=http://example.org/validation/ 
>>>>>>>>> token_via_email
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there already validation 'types', like 'token_via_email',  
>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>> in axschema (draft version?) or somewhere else?
>>>>>>>> The AXSchema Google Group doesn't seem to be very active  
>>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And of course: how can I help to start finalizing the  
>>>>>>>> draft? :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op 15 sep 2009, om 19:43 heeft John Bradley het volgende  
>>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Currently the AX 2.0 work is stalled.  I don't know of any  
>>>>>>>>> other list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sxip was driving it, but is no more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some people are using schema form axshema and others are  
>>>>>>>>> using URI
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> openid.org in AX 1.0.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>>> On 2009-09-15, at 12:07 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a different list for the discussion about  
>>>>>>>>>> Attribute Exchange
>>>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A have some question regards that draft:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • What is the current state?
>>>>>>>>>> • Is there a axschema draft for using this version,  
>>>>>>>>>> especially the
>>>>>>>>>> validation part.
>>>>>>>>>> • We want to start validating in Holland with several large
>>>>>>>>>> (internet) companies. And we want to start using the  
>>>>>>>>>> validation bit.
>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>> course this is a draft, maybe we can participate in the  
>>>>>>>>>> discussion?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>>
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