Attribute Exchange 2.0

John Bradley john.bradley at wingaa.com
Wed Sep 16 14:24:28 UTC 2009


The work at axschema on attribute value verification was part of Sxip  
not covered under OIDF IPR.

I don't think there is a problem with it but I don't know that it was  
covered under Sxip's AX contribution to the OIDF.

This is partly related to the creation of a AX schema that we still  
need to get a WG started for.

I need to go back and work on the charter for that.

At the moment we don't have URI for AX attributes never mind  
programatic validation of the values.

Perhaps Dick can fill us in on any IPR issues around the existing work.

John B.
On 2009-09-16, at 8:58 AM, Chris Obdam wrote:

> Sorry, you're correct, I started at the http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Attribute_Exchange_Extension_2_0 
>  wiki page. I got confused.
>
> Is there some kind of documentation on the previous discussions?
> The only thing I find missing at the moment is a description about  
> the validation types per type. And that's not really part of the  
> draft but more part of the axschema?
> But i'm not a experienced draft writer.. :-)
>
> /Chris
>
> Op 16 sep 2009, om 14:47 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>
>> OK. It is not quite 2.0, but a profile of AX. Still, we should do it.
>>
>> The OpenID process is not as lightweight as I hope, unfortunately.
>> It is kind of hard to kick start a WG here....
>>
>> That is the problem.
>>
>> I am trying to change.
>>
>> But, I suppose we should not be hang up on it and we should start  
>> discussing.
>>
>> =nat
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Chris Obdam  
>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl> wrote:
>>> Hi Nat,
>>>
>>> This one:
>>> http://step2.googlecode.com/svn/spec/attribute_exchange_validate/trunk/openid-attribute-exchange-validate-mode.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 13:59 heeft Nat Sakimura het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Let us reopen.
>>>>
>>>> Which draft do you mean, Chris?
>>>>
>>>> =nat
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Chris Obdam  
>>>> <chris.obdam at holder.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Henrik,
>>>>>
>>>>> I, in a way, also represent a large OP from Holland. ±8 million  
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> We want to enable the RP to check the data. Based on that data  
>>>>> the RP
>>>>> doesn't have to do that much checking anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I declare the discussion hereby opened ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> @henrik  Do you already use the AX 2 draft somewhere, maybe in a  
>>>>> test
>>>>> environment?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 16 sep 2009, om 11:53 heeft Henrik Biering het volgende  
>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>> I called a session about this at the last IIW in May this year,  
>>>>>> but id
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> not attract much interest. The impression, that I got from this  
>>>>>> session
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> from other inputs is that the community in general wants to  
>>>>>> handle trust
>>>>>> issues completely out of band (federated approach) - with PAPE  
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>> partial
>>>>>> exception to the rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Representing an OpenID provider with focus on identity proofing  
>>>>>> coupled
>>>>>> with usercentricity and privacy (indeed a very tricky  
>>>>>> combination) I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be more than happy to have this discussion reopened - as we have
>>>>>> examples
>>>>>> where generic out of band OP-RP trust is clearly not acceptable  
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>>>> =henrik
>>>>>> @netamia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Obdam skrev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, Allen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your answers. With validation I mean the OpenID  
>>>>>>> Attribute
>>>>>>> Exchange Validate Mode.
>>>>>>> In this spec there's a validation required per attribute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "openid.ax.validation.email=http://example.org/validation/ 
>>>>>>>> token_via_email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are there already validation 'types', like 'token_via_email',  
>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>> in axschema (draft version?) or somewhere else?
>>>>>>> The AXSchema Google Group doesn't seem to be very active  
>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And of course: how can I help to start finalizing the draft? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 15 sep 2009, om 19:43 heeft John Bradley het volgende  
>>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Currently the AX 2.0 work is stalled.  I don't know of any  
>>>>>>>> other list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sxip was driving it, but is no more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people are using schema form axshema and others are  
>>>>>>>> using URI
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> openid.org in AX 1.0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John B.
>>>>>>>> On 2009-09-15, at 12:07 PM, Chris Obdam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there a different list for the discussion about Attribute  
>>>>>>>>> Exchange
>>>>>>>>> 2.0?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A have some question regards that draft:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> • What is the current state?
>>>>>>>>> • Is there a axschema draft for using this version,  
>>>>>>>>> especially the
>>>>>>>>> validation part.
>>>>>>>>> • We want to start validating in Holland with several large
>>>>>>>>> (internet) companies. And we want to start using the  
>>>>>>>>> validation bit.
>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>> course this is a draft, maybe we can participate in the  
>>>>>>>>> discussion?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Obdam
>>>>>>>>> Stichting OpenID NL (Dutch OpenID foundation)
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>>>> http://www.sakimura.org/en/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Nat Sakimura (=nat)
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