Request for consideration of AX 2.0 Working Group Charter Proposal

Henrik Biering hb at netamia.com
Mon Jan 26 01:35:20 UTC 2009


Agree!
If the range of SReg attributes is expanded, however, I would suggest to 
add phone number (incl. quality as suggested for email) and possibly 
street+city address line(s). That would make it possible to fill in a 
somewhat larger part of typical registration forms.

Iname: =henrik

Allen Tom wrote:
> Can we extend the scope to include patching SReg to include avatar 
> image, and also details about the quality of the user's email address?
>
> AX also needs to be updated to allow RPs to pass the url of their 
> privacy policy to the OP, this is equivalent to SReg's 
> openid.sreg.policy_url.
>
> Because SReg does seem to be a bit more widely used, perhaps SReg can 
> be positioned as a lightweight version of AX.
>
> Allen
>
> David Recordon wrote:
>> This has been on my list to kick to the specs council but I've also 
>> been waiting for Dick to reengage since he's been such a core driver 
>> of the AX spec in the past. :)
>>
>> --David
>>
>> ----- "Nat Sakimura" <sakimura at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Breno de Medeiros 
>> <breno at google.com <mailto:breno at google.com>> wrote:
>> >
>>
>>     Unfortunately, not much to report except that most appear to agree in
>>     > your last suggestion, which I parse as:
>>     >
>>     >   Allow type.<alias> = type_schema_url to define a 'type
>>     namespace'.
>>     > Within that namespace it would then be possible to create an
>>     > extensible schema based on plain string key-value pairs.
>>     >
>>     > We need to:
>>     >
>>     > 1. Get the blessing of specs council to form a WG. I believe we
>>     have
>>     > addressed all concerns raised in threads in the Wiki proposal
>>     and I am
>>     > not sure why I have not heard from specs council back. How do
>>     we call
>>     > for a vote on the WG formation?
>>
>>
>> > Right. I will kick the specs council for this one also.
>> > The board is aware that specs council has not been effective and
>> > starting to fix it. (There will be a board voting to start the 
>> ammendment
>> > to the OpenID process shortly.)
>> >
>> > Guys, please raise your voices also from the community side.
>> >
>> > Dick, I think you still are a spec council member, so please start
>> > pinging other specs council members from inside.
>> >
>> > Process-wise, there are four more steps involved in startgin this WG.
>> >
>> > 1) Specs council's recommendation
>> > 2) Membership vote to form WG.
>> > 3) Contributors submitting IPR agreements for this WG.
>> > 4) OIDF to provide the post restricted ML and SVN repository for 
>> the WG.
>> >
>> > Additionally, it would be good if OIDF could supply "write controlled"
>> > wiki just like OASIS Open does.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>     >
>>     > 2. Start writing this spec, in particular hash out the parts
>>     that are
>>     > in agreement so that people can start cranking on this. :)
>>
>>
>> > Yes!
>> >  
>> >
>>
>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Dick Hardt
>>     <dick.hardt at gmail.com <mailto:dick.hardt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     > > Hey Everyone
>>     > > I dropped off the planet for a bit moving and getting my
>>     world setup. Have
>>     > > missed all the email threads on this.
>>     > > What have I missed out on? :-)
>>     > > I plan on participating heavy in the AX 2.0 spec myself.
>>     > > -- Dick
>>     > >
>>     > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Allen Tom
>>     <atom at yahoo-inc.com <mailto:atom at yahoo-inc.com>> wrote:
>>     > >>
>>     > >> I believe that one of the goals of AX 2.0 should be to maintain
>>     > >> backwards compatible with AX 1.0 whenever possible.
>>     > >>
>>     > >> Allen
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >> Mike Jones wrote:
>>     > >> > Can you add a clear statement to the draft charter that
>>     implementations
>>     > >> > already using AX 1.0 will remain compatible with the
>>     output of this working
>>     > >> > group?  Or is backwards-compatibility with existing AX
>>     implementations not a
>>     > >> > goal of this work?
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >                                 -- Mike
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > -----Original Message-----
>>     > >> > From: specs-bounces at openid.net
>>     <mailto:specs-bounces at openid.net>
>>     [mailto:specs-bounces at openid.net
>>     <mailto:specs-bounces at openid.net>] On
>>     > >> > Behalf Of Breno de Medeiros
>>     > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:18 PM
>>     > >> > To: OpenID Specs Mailing List
>>     > >> > Cc: dick at skip.com <mailto:dick at skip.com>;
>>     hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>;
>>     mgraves at janrain.com <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>
>>     > >> > Subject: Request for consideration of Working Group
>>     Charter Proposal
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > I would like to submit the following proposal for a new
>>     Working Group
>>     > >> > charter to your consideration, following the OpenID IPR
>>     process:
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > The proposal charter is also available at:
>>     > >> > http://wiki.openid.net/Working_Groups:AX_2.0
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > OpenID Attribute Exchange 2.0 Working Group (AX 2.0)
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Charter Proposal
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > In accordance with the OpenID Foundation IPR policies and
>>     procedures
>>     > >> > this note proposes the formation of a new working group
>>     chartered to
>>     > >> > produce an OpenID specification. As per Section 4.1 of the
>>     Policies,
>>     > >> > the proposed charter is below (still liable to change
>>     during this
>>     > >> > feedback period).
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > I. Name
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Attribute Exchange Extension Working Group (AX)
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > II. Statement of Purpose
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Produce an updated version of the Attribute Exchange
>>     Extension.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > III. Scope
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Update the Attribute Exchange Extension to include support for
>>     > >> > identified needs. Currently identified needs:
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >     * Provide mechanisms for RP to require, and the OP to
>>     assert,
>>     > >> > claims about the quality of the attributes.
>>     > >> >     * Create an extensible registry of claim types, such as
>>     > >> > axschema.org <http://axschema.org> for attribute types.
>>     The registry should also provide
>>     > >> > non-normative guidance on how claims can be validated,
>>     which will
>>     > >> > depend on the nature of attribute type as well as claim type.
>>     > >> >     * Introduce a new request/response mode which, unlike
>>     fetch and
>>     > >> > store, allows for both transmittal of some values and
>>     request of
>>     > >> > others. The transmittal not necessarily has the
>>     significance of a
>>     > >> > "store" request (could be informative, or for requesting
>>     validation).
>>     > >> >     * Introduce a direct communication method in both
>>     directions
>>     > >> > (OP<->RP), supported via discovery, for bulk exchange of
>>     attributes
>>     > >> > about (potentially) multiple users.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > IV. Specifications
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > OpenID Attribute Exchange 2.0
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > V. Anticipated audience
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > All those interested in the obtaining attributes about users
>>     > >> > authenticated via OpenID.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > VI. Language of business
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > English.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > VII. Method of work
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Mailing list discussion. Posting of intermediate drafts in
>>     the OpenID
>>     > >> > Wiki. Virtual conferencing on an ad-hoc basis.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > VIII. Basis for completion of the activity
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > The Attribute Exchange 2.0 spec final draft is delivered
>>     and the form
>>     > >> > of management and maintenance of the registry is established.
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Background Information
>>     > >> > I. Related Work
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > Attribute Exchange (1.0), and Simple Registration.
>>     > >> > II. Initial Membership
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >     * Tom Allen, atom at yahoo-inc.com
>>     <mailto:atom at yahoo-inc.com>. Yahoo! Inc (editor)
>>     > >> >     * Mike Graves, mgraves at janrain.com
>>     <mailto:mgraves at janrain.com>, JanRain, Inc.
>>     > >> >     * Dick Hardt, dick at skip.com <mailto:dick at skip.com>.
>>     Sxip Identity.
>>     > >> >     * Breno de Medeiros, breno at google.com
>>     <mailto:breno at google.com>. Google, Inc. (editor)
>>     > >> >     * Hideki Nara, hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp
>>     <mailto:hdknr at ic-tact.co.jp>, Tact Communications
>>     > >> >     * Nat Sakimura, n-sakimura at nri.co.jp
>>     <mailto:n-sakimura at nri.co.jp> (editor)
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > --
>>     > >> > --Breno
>>     > >> >
>>     > >> > +1 (650) 214-1007 desk
>>     > >> > +1 (408) 212-0135 (Grand Central)
>>     > >> > MTV-41-3 : 383-A
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>>     >
>>     >
>>     --
>>     >
>>     > --Breno
>>     >
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>>
>> > --
>> > Nat Sakimura (=nat)
>> > http://www.sakimura.org/en/
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