<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unfortunately I have a conflict I cannot quite get out of this afternoon. My apologies for not being able to make it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have posted a number of issues for discussion. Note: these issues are more foundational principles that we should have consensus on before proceeding.</div><div class="">Issue Tracker: <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/risc/issues?status=new&status=open" class="">https://bitbucket.org/openid/risc/issues?status=new&status=open</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My feeling is that any RISC Profile should only deal in issues or opportunities unique to RISC. It has not been clear what those RISC specific scoping issue are. Hence, I do not see the purpose for the current RISC Profile draft. For my part, I was expecting a draft that actually defined RISC Events.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dick commented on Feb 5 that:</div><div class=""><a href="http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-risc/Week-of-Mon-20180205/000439.html" class="">http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-risc/Week-of-Mon-20180205/000439.html</a></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">I think “need” is too strong. A single management API is desired.
Another aspect is that the management requirements of RISC, SCIM, OIDC etc. so far look quite different.
RISC has specific needs, and with a concrete API, there can more easily be a discussion on commonalities, or lack thereof with other SecEvent profiles.</pre></blockquote><div class="">These statements don’t really play out. The RISC group has not really identified why RISC is unique. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I notice some are assuming OIDC which makes it unique. Yet, RISC was chartered as multi-protocol (including SAML and implicit federation). In my view, RISC has a similar diversity as SECEVENTs itself given the requirements to support implicit federation and multiple profiles.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is it the intent to specifically narrow the scope in the RISC charter?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Luke Camery via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hey All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We are cancelling the meeting today due to our difficulty in getting the issue tracker setup. The issue tracker is <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bitbucket.org_openid_risc_issues-3Fstatus-3Dnew-26status-3Dopen&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=xlzDRBpfeMNMAeHgEZOVY7x9Q_UQSBC9LFpdcjQ1a_0&s=9RkYS_6vwFlnAK4ufG419GfShyfHdpqZWgRvvE-42qc&e=" class="">now live</a> on the <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bitbucket.org_openid_risc_issues-3Fstatus-3Dnew-26status-3Dopen&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=xlzDRBpfeMNMAeHgEZOVY7x9Q_UQSBC9LFpdcjQ1a_0&s=9RkYS_6vwFlnAK4ufG419GfShyfHdpqZWgRvvE-42qc&e=" class="">RISC WG repo</a>. Please post any issues that you would like to discuss on Monday at 15:00 PST. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The agenda for Monday will be to discuss issues posted to the tracker so please provide everyone with ample time to review your issue by posting as early as possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Luke<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:59 AM Luke Camery <<a href="mailto:lcamery@google.com" class="">lcamery@google.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1mM7IuVlAJS6bTnqgDMSD7ESpnsNRMME6I79-5FmE4K5Ns_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=xlzDRBpfeMNMAeHgEZOVY7x9Q_UQSBC9LFpdcjQ1a_0&s=bTfeAlMUxp3o1kDhi84wQWP6YKo-aitQag0k4fOn7uo&e=" target="_blank" class="">Here</a> are the notes from yesterday's weekly meeting. The working group moved to postpone this next meeting to next Wednesday due to the American holiday on Monday. The proposed time is 16:30 PST. Please respond if that time poses a conflict for you and we can reschedule.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Luke<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class="m_-1777015492063307164gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" dir="ltr" border="1" style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px;line-height:normal;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-collapse:collapse;table-layout:fixed;font-family:arial,sans,sans-serif" class=""><tbody style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px" class=""><tr style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;height:48px" class=""><td style="padding:2px 3px;border:1px solid rgb(255,255,255);vertical-align:middle;text-align:center" class=""><img src="http://i.imgur.com/Ya4Rhss.gif" width="96" height="42" class=""></td><td style="padding:2px 3px;border-width:1px 1px 1px 0px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-right-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-bottom-color:rgb(255,255,255);vertical-align:middle;text-align:center" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""></blockquote></td><td style="padding:2px 3px;border-width:1px 1px 1px 0px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:solid;border-bottom-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-right-color:rgb(255,255,255);border-bottom-color:rgb(255,255,255);vertical-align:bottom" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=""><b style="font-size:small;color:rgb(61,133,198);font-family:arial" class=""> • </b><b style="font-size:small;font-family:arial" class=""><font color="#666666" class="">Luke Camery</font></b><font face="arial" color="#3d85c6" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></font><b style="font-size:small;color:rgb(255,0,0);font-family:arial" class=""> • </b><font color="#666666" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px" class="">Associate Product Manager</font><font color="#ff0000" face="arial" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px" class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></font><b style="color:rgb(255,204,51);font-size:12.8px" class=""> • </b><font color="#666666" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px" class="">Federated Identity</font></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div>
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