<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Apologies for the confusion around meeting times for RISC. Our bi-weekly meeting got clobbered by a number of US holidays in Jan and Feb so we have tried to adjust on an ad hoc basis but I think it has been hard to keep track.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me clarify that going forward, we agreed at the Feb 12 meeting to move to weekly meetings, alternating between EMEA and APAC friendly times (9:30 am and 3 pm PT). <b>The <a href="http://openid.net/wg/risc/">OIDF meeting calendar</a> has been updated with the official times.</b> If these times are not possible for people that would like to attend regularly, please let me know. If there are a number of people in that camp, I can start a doodle poll to try to find a better time. </div><div><br></div><div>As <b>for today's meeting</b>, we've had a request from Phil to <b>move to 4pm </b>to accommodate a conflict. I'd generally prefer to keep to the schedule or reschedule with more advance notice but as Phil has brought a number of issues up for discussion, I'd like to make progress on them. <b>If anyone</b> was planning to attend at 3pm PST and <b>cannot do so at 4pm, please let me know ASAP</b> and I will cancel the meeting altogether. <b>If I do not respond with a cancellation, please plan to attend at 4pm PST.</b></div><div><br></div><div>For the meeting today, I wanted the agenda to be:</div><div><ul><li>Updates on legal</li><li><a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/risc/issues?status=new&status=open">Issue Tracker</a> (Issues 4, 5, 7 are highest priority)</li></ul></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">1. Please join my meeting.
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Google collaborating directly with Amazon right now on draft to bring to the WG to be adopted. <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Any two parties are free to modify the agreement as they would like. Google's plan is to not negotiate further after this initial draft is finalized.</span><br></li></ul><div><u>Spec Feedback</u></div></div><div>Phil had some concerns about the management API. </div><div>AI: Phil to send specific points he wants to bring up to the list.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline"><b>"Verified" attribute for add/remove subject</b></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Verified attribute outside the subject identifier was previous agreement. This might not always work. If we have ID Token subject type along with others in the subject, it is not clear which claim verified pertains to.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Let's have a more rigorous definition of what verified means. Can't come up with a definition that doesn't meet with how most providers have implemented- many may not exactly know the verification method or time. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Proposed definition: Service provider has verified an account if they have sent a message (email, SMS) to the user's address and the user has acknowledged the receipt from the service provider by replying back to the service provider by clicking a link or entering a code at the service provider.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Questions: Does a marketing email with a click on a link work? Is a receipt where the recipient can dispute the transaction but doesn't do so an indication that the account is verified?</span></div><div><div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>One or many streams</b><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Discussion about what should live in RISC and what should live in SecEvents.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Phil believes some items in Marius' drafts should live in SecEvents. </div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Commentary that this was brought up in SecEvents already by Annabelle and the group did not take it up. RISC trying to define something to meet our base cases. No objection if that later is taken to SecEvents but want to unblock now.</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><b>Future Meetings</b><br class="m_2108563093225086190gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">Group agreed that we would have an additional meeting on Wednesday afternoon this week. Luke will schedule. </div><div>At that meeting we will find a time for a meeting next week given Monday is a US holiday.</div><div>After next week, we will move to a weekly meeting cadence on Mondays.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Luke Camery <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lcamery@google.com" target="_blank">lcamery@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear All,<div><br></div><div>The RISC working group will meet tomorrow at 09:30 PST.</div><div><br></div><div><b>Agenda</b></div><div>1. Recap of legal summit</div><div>2. Discussion of Marius' RISC Profile draft:</div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">- "verified" attribute for add/remove subject</span><div dir="auto" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">- discovery URL, path before or after .well-known</div><div dir="auto" 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