<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Yes. My understanding is this strictly about set and nothing else given Yarons question about interop of the set spec. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Phil</div><div><br>On Feb 12, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Richard Backman, Annabelle <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com">richanna@amazon.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike described his expectations for SET, then said that “This is exactly parallel to the interoperability expectations for JWTs.” And then described JWT interop. At the Cisco meeting, he agreed with my characterization of his position as
 no expectation of interop across unrelated profiles.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t see much value in pursuing generalized solutions for delivery or stream management when nothing else is generalizable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Phil Hunt <<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 12, 2018 at 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Phil Hunt <<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Richard Backman, Annabelle" <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com">richanna@amazon.com</a>>, Dick Hardt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-risc] RISC WG Meeting 2/12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry I meant to say Yaron’s question - it was not originally Annabelle’s
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike responded on what was the basis for interop on JWT. I agreed with his interpretation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I suggest re-posting this as a question on interop for delivery.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Phil Hunt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">When I saw your question I assumed it was about SETs interop as we were discussing finalizing the SET draft. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica">I suggest re-posing the question in the frame of management and delivery to get people to comment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Feb 12, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Backman, Annabelle <<a href="mailto:richanna@amazon.com"><span style="color:purple">richanna@amazon.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg00963.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=who-RXL5EW5OBVeLvgAOC5vhKmbpUkkPNAT6K0EmveM&e="><span style="color:purple">this
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What is the value of a SET, in addition to its being "a kind of JWT". Specifically, let's assume a software architecture that consists of three layers: SET profile-specific library, generic SET processor, generic JWT library. What would
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What are the existing implementations that prevent change to the current spec, even changes as trivial as renaming "events" to "event"? Are there any production or near-production implementations in addition to the OIDC Back Channel Logout
 (which is arguably a trivial use of SET)? From an IETF process point of view, I'd like to point out that any I-D is completely open to changes until actual publication as an RFC, and certainly until it is delivered to the IESG.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike replied with his view on these topics, notably that the interoperability expectations for SET are the same as those for JWT, and “there is no expectation” of interoperability between unrelated SETs. I replied with my understanding,
 that some degree of interoperability is expected – specifically, that if SET is going to permit embedding events from different profiles within the same token, then any two arbitrary event types ought to be combinable. No one else commented at the time, and
 the thread became a discussion of Mike’s proposed changes to clarify the non-interoperability. You<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-2Darchive_web_id-2Devent_current_msg00971.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=na5FVzBTWmanqWNy4DpctyXPpuYqPkAI1aLcLN4KZNA&m=MQS6mJLjyHFXUbXGVdu1VOCM8RninJO_NiHdrVWdD1M&s=m8d1gOZGb_Xoq5sgSCtkTgI-abOluKB0wRofCf5Tnkg&e="><span style="color:purple">commented</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc-bounces@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-risc-bounces@lists.openid.net</span></a>>
 on behalf of Phil Hunt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Phil Hunt <<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com"><span style="color:purple">phil.hunt@oracle.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, February 12, 2018 at 11:18 AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Adam Dawes <<a href="mailto:adawes@google.com"><span style="color:purple">adawes@google.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dick Hardt via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Openid-specs-risc] RISC WG Meeting 2/12</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Annabelle, can you provide the link where the issue was brought up in SECEVENTs? I’m not sure what exactly the question posed was to search for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Certainly the SECEVENTs charter itself says the group is producing a control plane (aka management API) that likely would cover most of the items in Marius’s draft. There has been no formal call
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Adam Dawes via Openid-specs-risc <</span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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