<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Thanks everyone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Annabelle, can you provide the link where the issue was brought up in SECEVENTs? I’m not sure what exactly the question posed was to search for it.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Certainly the SECEVENTs charter itself says the group is producing a control plane (aka management API) that likely would cover most of the items in Marius’s draft. There has been no formal call to change the charter in this respect.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Adam Dawes via Openid-specs-risc <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" class="">openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Attendees: Phil Hunt, Roshni Chandrasekhar, Annabelle Backman, Luke Camery, Adam Dawes, Henrik Biering<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><u class="">Legal Summary</u></div><div class=""><ul class=""><li class="">Over 20 people and 10 companies represented<br class=""></li><li class="">Offered presentation to bring everyone up to speed on efforts<br class=""></li><li class="">Working on generic bi-lateral agreement which will then be made public for re-use by the community. Google collaborating directly with Amazon right now on draft to bring to the WG to be adopted. <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class="">Any two parties are free to modify the agreement as they would like. Google's plan is to not negotiate further after this initial draft is finalized.</span><br class=""></li></ul><div class=""><u class="">Spec Feedback</u></div></div><div class="">Phil had some concerns about the management API. </div><div class="">AI: Phil to send specific points he wants to bring up to the list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class=""><b class="">"Verified" attribute for add/remove subject</b></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class="">Verified attribute outside the subject identifier was previous agreement. This might not always work. If we have ID Token subject type along with others in the subject, it is not clear which claim verified pertains to.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class="">Let's have a more rigorous definition of what verified means. Can't come up with a definition that doesn't meet with how most providers have implemented- many may not exactly know the verification method or time. </span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class="">Proposed definition: Service provider has verified an account if they have sent a message (email, SMS) to the user's address and the user has acknowledged the receipt from the service provider by replying back to the service provider by clicking a link or entering a code at the service provider.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 12.8px;" class="">Questions: Does a marketing email with a click on a link work? Is a receipt where the recipient can dispute the transaction but doesn't do so an indication that the account is verified?</span></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><b class="">One or many streams</b><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Discussion about what should live in RISC and what should live in SecEvents.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Phil believes some items in Marius' drafts should live in SecEvents. </div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Commentary that this was brought up in SecEvents already by Annabelle and the group did not take it up. RISC trying to define something to meet our base cases. No objection if that later is taken to SecEvents but want to unblock now.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></div><b class="">Future Meetings</b><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">Group agreed that we would have an additional meeting on Wednesday afternoon this week. Luke will schedule. </div><div class="">At that meeting we will find a time for a meeting next week given Monday is a US holiday.</div><div class="">After next week, we will move to a weekly meeting cadence on Mondays.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Luke Camery<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:lcamery@google.com" target="_blank" class="">lcamery@google.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The RISC working group will meet tomorrow at 09:30 PST.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">Agenda</b></div><div class="">1. Recap of legal summit</div><div class="">2. Discussion of Marius' RISC Profile draft:</div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline;" class="">- "verified" attribute for add/remove subject</span><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">- discovery URL, path before or after .well-known</div><div dir="auto" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px; 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