<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">3pm Monday before the Connect call is open. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I can only join for 30min at 9:30 Tuesday because of another call I have at 10am.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John B.<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" class="">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Yes, we need a call. We have the regular call scheduled for Monday morning at 9:30 AM PST, but unfortunately I will be traveling at that time. Adam is on vacation next week.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Would it be OK to shift the Monday call either to Monday afternoon 3 pm, or Tuesday morning 9:30 am?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Marius</div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Mike Jones <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com" target="_blank" class="">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-8107292078757266690WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060" class="">I agree that a call would be productive at this point.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060" class=""> <wbr class=""> Best wishes,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060" class=""> <wbr class=""> -- Mike<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-8107292078757266690__MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="color:#002060" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></a></p>
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<b class="">To:</b> Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" target="_blank" class="">mscurtescu@google.com</a>><br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I think we need to do a call and walk through the bootstrap cases for implicit federation vs explicit. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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On Aug 3, 2017, at 6:59 PM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" target="_blank" class="">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I suggested an array if there are multiple values that want to be published for some reason.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise you limit yourself to one scope for all the aliases.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps it is more of a SET issue than RISC but this all started with the proposition that sub might not be scoped to the issuer in cases where a RP is sending to a IdP. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">So when Facebook sends to Google it would not need to scope its own identifiers. But if it is talking about a account that google has identified as having the email address
<a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail.com</a> then it would scope it.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">RISC events sent by Facebook to Google should always use an identifier scoped to Google. Assuming Facebook is an OAuth 2 client and Google the IdP. Facebook could know the Google issued sub or the email address associated with the account
(which could be a non-Google managed email). Identifiers issued by Facebook are meaningless to Google. If Facebook is the IdP and Google the RP, then Facebook issued identifiers would work.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If you are aware of a use case when the identifier needs to be explicitly scoped then let's add it to:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Currently we are not tracking any use case like that.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Email may not be the best example because we mistakenly believe that addresses uniquely point to one individual. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">They might but if it is not a email and just an account identifier then knowing who’s it is important.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Confusing of account identifiers and email addresses is a horse that has left the barn.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If the subject were just account numbers that could easily collide then scoping has a clearer value.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">An IdP could use account identifiers, or numbers, but these would be expressed as the sub claim and sub is always scoped to the IdP issuer. No other scoping is needed IMO.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Phone numbers have similar issues. They have a higher turn over and reuse than email.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If the sub email phone etc is scoped to the issuer use the top level elements.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">In cases where it is different ave a alias object that makes the scoping explicit.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I think email and phone is always global and does not need scoping. If not, then we need to clarify this.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">sub is scoped by iss.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">You might have both in a SET if the sender wants to expose its sub and also explicitly include a alias that the receiver understands like a phone number.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Yes, both can be present.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I think we are saying the same thing.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Here is proposal 3 again:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Top level claims when there is no iss conflict:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> "iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://tr.example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> "sub": "47635747",</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> "email": "<a href="mailto:user@example.com" target="_blank" class="">user@example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">And nested object when there is an iss conflict:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> "iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://tr.example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> "sub": "47635747",</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">sub, email and phone_number form a set of claims that point to a person, at least one of these claims must be preset.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Sounds good?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Aug 3, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" target="_blank" class="">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:41 PM, John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" target="_blank" class="">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Maybe, but let's get concrete since I believe we have to define each alias. What else than iss+sub, email and phone_number?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Email is also tricky, as foreign emails are often used as the username.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Good point, and again not sure how is this relevant to SET. The add/remove APIs most likely will have to also provide the "email_verified" claim along with "email", but that's a different draft.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I still have a test Facebook account with a email as the login name that has never been validated after nearly two years. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Right, it is a common case. Also, if the email was validated 8 years ago, what value does that validation still have?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">So is talking about “<a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail,.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail,.com</a>” scope Facebook the same as
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Are some usernames with issuers and only the MS scoped one a real email?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">In general you have a identifier string of some sort scoped to a responsible authority.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">{“val”: “<a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail,.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail,.com</a>”, “scope”: “Facebook” , “type”: “email”}<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Not sure I completely follow. What does "scope Facebook" mean with regards to <a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail,.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail,.com</a>? Microsoft is authoritative over that email address, and how does one discover that is
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If Google is sending a RISC event to Facebook and the subject is "<a href="mailto:email=self-issued@hotmail,.com" target="_blank" class="">email=self-issued@hotmail,.<wbr class="">com</a>" then scope=Facebook I think is implied (the fact that Facebook knows the user as <a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail,.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail,.com</a>).
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I think everyone agrees it should be an object. You suggested that the value could be an array, I am not sure I understand the need for that.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I am issuer foo and the subject is bar in my context. I also know them as “<a href="mailto:self-issued@hotmail.com" target="_blank" class="">self-issued@hotmail.com</a>” in the context of Facebook and
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">For the RISC profile I had in mind:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Obviously this is inspired by OpenID Connect, the same claims can be present in an Id Token.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">If the above makes sense, then not sure if an array is needed.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Note “identity” could be used at the top level or embedded in events payload. Top level if there is need to have multiple event types are expressed at once. Or, if part of the core spec to provide a consistent pattern for identifiers
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">That being said, I don't see why a typ claim is needed here. We can use the exact same claims as in an Id Token. SCIM needs a different profile than RISC.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Your examples from above using Id Token claims (minus the SCIM example):<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">I guess in principal sub could be a dictionary with a val and other meta data like a optional issuer.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">We do that with sub in <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__openid.net_specs_openid-2Dconnect-2Dcore-2D1-5F0.html-23IndividualClaimsRequests&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=JBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C_lLIGk&m=0XvWuopUa1rUzdTHlWsUVZI7PePtDaGu3VrMUlwE2yU&s=VzfByRviJEJHNZfefEzIWK8KsuPhKsf_RXi6eOTxbeI&e=" target="_blank" class="">Connect
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">One option might be to have a new claim. sub-d that is a dictionary that you could use when you need a more complicated sub with a SubjectNameIdFormat and scope. How could
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">Lets not forget that we also have cases where subject is identified by email or telephone or other identifier (implicit fed cases). <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">In some use cases the issuer of the SET is different from the issuer of the subject identifier, and at least in those cases there cannot be only one top level "iss" claim.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "<a href="https://rv.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked":</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>{</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>},</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked":</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>{</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">2. Move iss+sub immediately under the "events" claim. No redundancy in this case.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">{</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "<wbr class="">3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7d<wbr class="">30",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://tr.example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "<a href="https://rv.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked": {},</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked": {}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">3. Move iss+sub to a new nested claim.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">{</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "<wbr class="">3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7d<wbr class="">30",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://tr.example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "<a href="https://rv.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"target": {</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>},</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked": {},</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked": {}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">}</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class="">4. Define a new top level issuer claim either for the SET or for the subject.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class="">
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class="">{</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "<wbr class="">3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7d<wbr class="">30",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://tr.example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"" class=""> <span class="m_-8107292078757266690gmail-m211135882081915750gmail-m-5154919286245319102m922368068620098186gmail-m-2518339591068322597apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss-sub": "<a href="https://example.com/" target="_blank" class="">https://example.com</a>",</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
</div>
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