<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Marius,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think implying type by receiver works.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am assuming some implementers will have central event receivers and draw conclusions about users that are doing both email federation and explicit connect federation - because it all maps back to a single account.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 3, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" class="">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Phil Hunt <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" target="_blank" class="cremed">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Marius,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Agreed with your concerns. I wasn’t clear on why it was useful.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suspect in some RISC events, there may be a need to issue the same event for both implicit and explicitly federated users. Thus, in the event, you need to flag the type of user.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Right, but then the event would be sent to two different receivers and the actual SET can be custom for each one (the explicit receiver will see a "sub" claim while the implicit receiver will see only an "email" claim). I don't think typ is needed for this case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“typ” is also useful if we want a registry so that we don’t end up with different event profiles using different attributes to reference the same thing. E.g. we might want to avoid email being specified with different attributes for the same thing: “mail”, “email”, “rfc822”.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Since we cannot mix events from different profiles in the same SET (do we agree on that?), I don't think we need a registry to make claims consistent across profiles.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" target="_blank" class="cremed">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1824900303268500248Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Phil Hunt <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">yes. Instead of using “sub” you might define an attribute “identity” and it could be used as follows:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“identity”:{</div><div class=""> “typ”:”oidc”,</div><div class=""> “sub”:”8100552e17554422b6207b7<wbr class="">bd7a9bc76”,</div><div class=""> “iss”:”<a href="http://myidp.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">myidp.example.com</a>"</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“identity”:{</div><div class=""> “typ”:”scim”,</div><div class=""> “$ref”:”<a href="https://scim.example.com/Users/8100552e17554422b6207b7bd7a9bc76" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://scim.example.c<wbr class="">om/Users/8100552e17554422b6207<wbr class="">b7bd7a9bc76</a>”</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(not sure these are the right claims, but you might include some claims from MODRNA like carrier identifiers if they are available)</div><div class="">“identity”:{</div><div class=""> “typ”:”phone”,</div><div class=""> “telephoneNumber”:”+1604123456<wbr class="">7”</div><div class=""> “carrier”: <somevalue> </div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">“identity”:{</div><div class=""> “typ”:”emails”,</div><div class=""> “mail”:”<a href="mailto:john.doe@example.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">john.doe@example.com</a>”</div><div class="">}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Note “identity” could be used at the top level or embedded in events payload. Top level if there is need to have multiple event types are expressed at once. Or, if part of the core spec to provide a consistent pattern for identifiers and to establish a registry of identifier types. Regardless at the top level, then “identity” would have to be registered as a JWT claim.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is a separate discussion we should have, I was proposing something different here, but I was trying to focus on the issuer conflict first.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That being said, I don't see why a typ claim is needed here. We can use the exact same claims as in an Id Token. SCIM needs a different profile than RISC.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your examples from above using Id Token claims (minus the SCIM example):</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">“identity”:{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> “sub”:”8100552e17554422b6207b7<wbr class="">bd7a9bc76”,<br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> “iss”:”<a href="http://myidp.example.com/" target="_blank" class="cremed">myidp.example.com</a>"</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">}</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">“identity”:{</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> “phone_number”:”+</span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">16041234567”</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">“identity”:{</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> “email”:”</span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="mailto:john.doe@example.com" target="_blank" class="cremed">john.doe@example.com</a></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">”</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">}</font></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-"><br class=""><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;line-height:normal"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Phil</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Oracle Corporation, Identity Cloud Services Architect & Standards</div><div class="">@independentid</div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.independentid.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=JBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C_lLIGk&m=8DgoyHO0bkvBmE7iO1lCEHlfY6qf43cH7pWx3Ekpiow&s=uBPtLJ_OeovXu0GNe8dSZcmX3LYoMrlu_N5HRH_5MQY&e=" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">www.independentid.com</a></div></div></div></div></span><a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<br class=""></span><div class=""><div class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-h5"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">mscurtescu@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, John Bradley<span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>></span><span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>wr<wbr class="">ote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I guess in principal sub could be a dictionary with a val and other meta data like a optional issuer.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We do that with sub in <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__openid.net_specs_openid-2Dconnect-2Dcore-2D1-5F0.html-23IndividualClaimsRequests&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=JBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C_lLIGk&m=0XvWuopUa1rUzdTHlWsUVZI7PePtDaGu3VrMUlwE2yU&s=VzfByRviJEJHNZfefEzIWK8KsuPhKsf_RXi6eOTxbeI&e=" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">Connect claims requests</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However in responses sub is defined in </div><div class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_rfc7519-23section-2D4.1.2&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=JBm5biRrKugCH0FkITSeGJxPEivzjWwlNKe4C_lLIGk&m=0XvWuopUa1rUzdTHlWsUVZI7PePtDaGu3VrMUlwE2yU&s=5GZBJpUnQsgSTinzQRg5GLOPDs6YuqtEr_PEMy9JsMQ&e=" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf<wbr class="">c7519#section-4.1.2</a> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>as a string.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One option might be to have a new claim. sub-d that is a dictionary that you could use when you need a more complicated sub with a SubjectNameIdFormat and scope. How could that go wrong:)</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That is option 3, right?</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John B.</div><div class=""><div class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 3, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Phil Hunt (IDM) <<a href="mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597m_1134046780769059888Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Lets not forget that we also have cases where subject is identified by email or telephone or other identifier (implicit fed cases). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Risc needs to have a subject type attribute to inform parsers how to identify the subject. The next question whether sub gets re-used as a general purpose attribute or whether specific attributes are used for each type (email, telephone). <br class=""><br class="">In solving this broader requirement the sub/iss problem may also be resolved. </div><div class=""><br class="">Phil</div><div class=""><br class="">On Aug 3, 2017, at 1:52 AM, Nat Sakimura <<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">My preference: If all SET only supports a single iss/sub pair, then 1. If a SET can have events for multiple iss/sub pair, then 2.<span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span></p><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">2017年8月3日(木) 7:49 Marius Scurtescu <<a href="mailto:mscurtescu@google.com" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">mscurtescu@google.com</a>>:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Each SET profile must define or clarify several aspects of the specs. For RISC most of these must only be only specified (like key resolution), but there is at least one issue for which we don't have an agreed on solution.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In some use cases the issuer of the SET is different from the issuer of the subject identifier, and at least in those cases there cannot be only one top level "iss" claim.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here are the proposals I am aware of to solve this issue:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Move iss+sub to the event level. The drawback of this approach is redundancy when multiple events are present in the SET.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7<wbr class="">d30",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tr.example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="https://rv.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked":</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>},</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked":</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1.1 Move only the subject "iss" to the event level and leave "sub" at the top level (next to the SET "iss"). I find this solution very confusing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7<wbr class="">d30",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tr.example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="https://rv.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked":</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>},</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked":</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. Move iss+sub immediately under the "events" claim. No redundancy in this case.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7<wbr class="">d30",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tr.example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="https://rv.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">},</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">3. Move iss+sub to a new nested claim.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7<wbr class="">d30",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tr.example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="https://rv.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"target": {</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>},</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">},</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">4. Define a new top level issuer claim either for the SET or for the subject.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"jti": "3d0c3cf797584bd193bd0fb1bd4e7<wbr class="">d30",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iat": 1458496025,</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss": "<a href="https://tr.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://tr.example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"iss-sub": "<a href="https://example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://example.com</a>",</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"sub": "47635747",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"aud": "</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""><a href="https://rv.example.com/" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">https://rv.example.com/</a>",</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"events": {</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">sessions-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">},</span><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>"urn:ietf:params:risc:event:<wbr class="">tokens-revoked": </font><font face="monospace, monospace" class="">{</font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div><div class=""><font face="monospace, monospace" class=""> <span class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597Apple-converted-space"> </span>}</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace" class="">}</span></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An open question is if this new iss+sub solution should be always required or if a top level iss+sub should also be allowed (when there is no conflict). I vote for having only one way for simplicity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Once we decide on a solution we can start working on the RISC profile draft.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thoughts?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Marius</div></div></div>______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">Openid-specs-risc mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Openid-specs-risc@lists.openid.net" class="m_-1824900303268500248gmail-m_-2518339591068322597cremed m_-1824900303268500248gmail-cremed m_-1824900303268500248cremed cremed" target="_blank">Openid-specs-risc@lists.openid<wbr class="">.net</a><br class=""><a 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