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<div>I don’t think it is an abuse of the binding message, I think that it is more flexible from the point of view of the Service Provider and it is a dynamic way to change or personalise the message. I understand the binding_message as a way to allow the Service
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<div>In fact when we were in Paris we talked about the clash between CIBA and UQ in some scenarios, for instance when you want to confirm a transaction using an authentication and you show the amount in the authentication device. Shall I implement UQ for this
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>John Bradley <<a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>miércoles, 30 de noviembre de 2016, 22:45<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Gonzalo Fernandez Rodriguez <<a href="mailto:gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com">gonzalo.fernandezrodriguez@telefonica.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de">Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de">Torsten.Lodderstedt@telekom.de</a>>, Axel Nennker <<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Openid-specs-mobile-profile] OP generated binding_message<br>
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<div class="">That sounds like an abuse of the binding message and more of what you are describing context or user questioning for.</div>
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<div class="">I agree with axel that the OP is in the best position to know what the binding message should be, and should be the one to display it on the consumption device in the front channel redirect case.</div>
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<div class="">All in All it seems simpler fro the OP to define and display the binding message and something about who is asking for the authentication “Banko Santander” etc.</div>
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<div class="">The more you let the RP control on the authentication device the more you are open to confused user attacks from bad RP.</div>
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<div class="">I think separating the binding, context and RP are important.</div>
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<div class="">The objective of the binding_message is to interlock both devices in other scenarios different from a simple authentication. In fact, as far as I know the original request came from the banks that wanted show information related with transactions,
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Gonzalo Fernández, "<a href="mailto:Axel.Nennker@telekom.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Axel.Nennker@telekom.de</a>", "<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a>"<br class="">
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[<a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Im Auftrag
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<b class="">An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nennker, Axel;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">openid-specs-mobile-profile@lists.openid.net</a><br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I don’t agree with this approach, the OP knows better “HOW” to show the information in the Authentication device because it knows de limits of the authenticator, however I reckon that
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">I an email to GSMA I suggested to discuss whether it is worthwhile reversing the direction of binding_message.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">The reasoning is:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">I think that the OP knows better what the AD can display.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">After receiving the CIBA request the OP determines the channel and AD capabilities (like USSD and SIM Toolkit) and sends the binding_message to the AD and the RP in the CIBA Authentication Request Response.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">The same suggestion was raised by Arne during a GSMA CPAS call this morning.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">// Axel<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">Here some use case describing this<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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policeman (PP) wants to check driver’s license which the driver has not present<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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logs into government website (RP) and enters drivers mobile number<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sends CIBA to OP which sends request to AD binding_message=”PP Szydło wants to check your driver’s license”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="" class="">OP sends binding_message to RP which is shown to PP too.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sees message “PP Szydło wants to check your driver’s license”, checks Name PP’s device and consents<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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notifies RP of consent<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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retrieves driver’s picture and validity data of licence from its DB<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sends data to PP who compares the picture and now knows the validity of the driver’s license without giving away too much data<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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