[Openid-specs-mobile-profile] CIBA with id_token; was RE: Comments about CIBA Draft

Axel.Nennker at telekom.de Axel.Nennker at telekom.de
Sun Apr 30 17:42:35 UTC 2017

Hi Charles,

CIBA is basically OIDC in backchannel mode so why shouldn’t there be an id_token returned if the use case requires it.


-          User visits <bank> and the clerk would like to ask the MNO for the user’s picture

-          Clerk initiates CIBA with claim request for the picture

-          User gets the authentication request on their  authentication device which displays the ID-GW generated message:
“Do you want to share your picture with <bank>?
user consents

-          AD responses to ID-GW

-          ID-GW creates id_token with picture

-          Clerk sees picture

Replace “picture” with any claim the MNO might hold.

Is this what you were asking or what are end-to-end use cases?


From: charles.marais at orange.com [mailto:charles.marais at orange.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:49 AM
To: John Bradley; Connotte, Jörg; Connotte, Jörg; Nennker, Axel; GONZALO FERNANDEZ RODRIGUEZ; Walter, Florian; Bjorn.Hjelm at VerizonWireless.com
Cc: CLEMENT Philippe IMT TECHNO; AILLERY Nicolas IMT-OLPS; MARIOTTE Hubert IMT-OLN; openid-specs-mobile-profile at lists.openid.net
Subject: Comments about CIBA Draft


We would like to share with you some of our concerns about CIBA as it may be soon accepted at the end of the current implementer's draft period :

- The end-to-end use cases addressed by CIBA are still unclear for us. We do understand the necessity to have a specification allowing the retrieval of an OAuth 2.0 access_token in a back channel mode but we don't have in mind end-to-end use cases that require the delivery of an id_token in pure back channel mode. @John,Joerg : Did you have time to think about Use Cases for CIBA ?

- On a security point of view, we think that we missed something. With the current specification, it seems to be possible to register a bad client interested by the polling mode with a legitimate client's sector_identifier_uri and even redirect_uri. In this way, the bad client will receive a sub dedicated for the legitimate client.

- GSMA is already working on an evolution of CIBA allowing synchronous responses. In their mind (GSMA), they want to address use cases in which the OP doesn't authenticate the user. It could maybe be relevant to include this evolution in the current specification.

Thanks for your opinions on these aspects,


The Orange Team.

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MARAIS Charles
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