[Openid-specs-heart] Updated Use Case: Patient Authorizes Clinical Research

Moehrke, John (GE Healthcare) John.Moehrke at med.ge.com
Wed Mar 9 20:53:34 UTC 2016

Hi Scott,


The NIST IR 8053 is based on ISO 25237; so you have mostly the right concept.


You will also find IHE has written handbooks derived from ISO 25237 that explain how to apply the ‘process’ to a specific ‘intended use-case’ so that you get a specific set of algorithms that you would use for your intended use-case.



I am one of the co-editors of the ISO 25237 (and the IHE handbook); The new version of ISO 25237 will be referencing the IHE Handbook.


Glen’s diagram should be clear where the De-Identification happens, and that it needs to be Pseudonymization so that it can be Re-Identified… If that re-identification is needed.


The only de-identification algorithm that brings risk to zero is the one that passes ZERO data. Thus as long as some data passes there is some risk. The De-Identification process is use to design a set of algorithms that reduce the risk while still allowing the intended use-case to succeed. Sometimes this reduction is not sufficient, so the resulting data still needs to be protected. Sometimes it is…


I would be glad to help the team understand further, but I suspect that this is a diversion that is not in the scope of the HEART group.

  blog articles on the topic at http://healthcaresecprivacy.blogspot.com/p/topics.html#DEID




From: Openid-specs-heart [mailto:openid-specs-heart-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Scott Shorter
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To: Glen Marshall [SRS]
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Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-heart] Updated Use Case: Patient Authorizes Clinical Research


Hello Glen,


Looks good, but I am confused about the de-identification and re-identification process.  The diagram shows a “reidentification engine” - what’s the concept of operations for that?  Does the de-identification process include registering with one of these engines to enable re-identification?  Or is the de-identification assumed to be reversible?


Is this explained in the ISO/TS 25237 document referenced in footnote 2?  I’m not familiar with that, I will confess that most of what I know about de-identification I learned from NISTIR 8053 (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2015/NIST.IR.8053.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nvlpubs.nist.gov_nistpubs_ir_2015_NIST.IR.8053.pdf&d=CwMGaQ&c=IV_clAzoPDE253xZdHuilRgztyh_RiV3wUrLrDQYWSI&r=B4hg7NQHul-cxfpT_e9Lh49ujUftqzJ6q17C2t3eI64&m=lgQeHAC9BYIMFiJChnZp-GjxEcwB2BNnqEmWtC5aISA&s=vTybC7ZevWRZHQl0AX6iinZDKeFV-5jeQJFeYcP--Gk&e=> ).





On Mar 4, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Glen Marshall [SRS] <gfm at securityrs.com> wrote:




An updated draft for the use case is attached.  It reflects our discussions in February, excluding any tangential issues.  I appreciate your collective help in advancing this work.





Glen F. Marshall


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