[Openid-specs-heart] CHIME Launches $1M Challenge to Solve Patient ID Problem

Justin Richer jricher at mit.edu
Mon Jan 25 14:55:51 UTC 2016


But it's not like that, the arity is very different.

Every record is associated with an AS, perhaps a separate AS for each 
record/patient but most likely not.

Every AS is associated with a jwks_uri, but only one per AS.

  -- Justin

On 1/25/2016 9:02 AM, Adrian Gropper wrote:
> It means that every patient record is associated with a separate 
> jwks_uri for that patient's AS.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Justin Richer <jricher at mit.edu 
> <mailto:jricher at mit.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Yes you did. Quote:
>
>     "The system is also much more resistant to data breaches as data
>     holders (UMA Resource Servers) must implement separate *encryption
>     keys *for each patient."
>
>     So if you don't mean separately encrypting the data for each user,
>     what does that statement mean? The access token isn't an
>     encryption key.
>
>      -- Justin
>
>
>     On 1/25/2016 8:57 AM, Adrian Gropper wrote:
>>     I never said anything about how the data is encrypted. I only
>>     talk about how access to the FHIR API is controlled.
>>
>>     Adrian
>>
>>     On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Justin Richer <jricher at mit.edu
>>     <mailto:jricher at mit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Adrian,
>>
>>         I've asked this before and thought we'd settled it, but it
>>         keeps coming up: where are you getting the idea of encrypting
>>         the data to the patient using a patient's key? That is not in
>>         scope for HEART, nor is it part of any of the underlying
>>         protocols.
>>
>>          -- Justin
>>
>>
>>         On 1/25/2016 8:52 AM, Adrian Gropper wrote:
>>>         Establishing a separate URI for each patient is likely to be
>>>         the only stable solution to the patient ID problem. The
>>>         issue, however, is how many URIs will a patient be allowed
>>>         to have? If the URIs are coercive, in the sense of a chip or
>>>         tattoo issued by government or an equivalent global
>>>         authority (Facebook?) or the URI is derived from DNA or an
>>>         iris scan. (Iris scans are a good positive IDs and can be
>>>         read from 30 feet away with modern technology.)
>>>
>>>         Let's assume, for our purposes, that an iris scanner costs
>>>         about as much as a credit card terminal, cheap enough for
>>>         every front office, ambulance, and police car. Is the
>>>         patient ID problem solved? I don't think so.
>>>
>>>         Patients can have one or more separate URIs in order to help
>>>         manage their health records. Today, we typically use email
>>>         address for this purpose, with WebFinger
>>>         https://webfinger.net/ as a standardized way to discover
>>>         linked attributes such as the patient's UMA Authorization
>>>         Server and the associated public key.
>>>
>>>         UMA for patient ID brings numerous benefits including much
>>>         greater transparency and security. The patient now has a
>>>         single portal (their UMA AS) to view all current
>>>         relationships under that particular patient ID persona. The
>>>         system is also much more resistant to data breaches as data
>>>         holders (UMA Resource Servers) must implement separate
>>>         encryption keys for each patient.
>>>
>>>         I think the HEART group is in a good position to compete for
>>>         the CHIME challenge on this basis and I'd be happy for me
>>>         and PPR to help organize a submission.
>>>
>>>         Adrian
>>>
>>>         On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Aaron Seib
>>>         <aaron.seib at nate-trust.org
>>>         <mailto:aaron.seib at nate-trust.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I appreciate your expertise and action.
>>>
>>>             I don't necessarily agree with some of your statements
>>>             here but that is the beauty of open processes.
>>>
>>>             Let's strive to do all we can - together.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Aaron Seib
>>>             @CaptBlueButton
>>>             (O) 301-540-9549 <tel:301-540-9549>
>>>             (M) 301-326-6843 <tel:301-326-6843>
>>>
>>>             "The trick to earning trust is to avoid all tricks.
>>>             Including tricks on yourself."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             -------- Original message --------
>>>             From: "Glen Marshall [SRS]" <gfm at securityrs.com
>>>             <mailto:gfm at securityrs.com>>
>>>             Date: 2016/01/24 7:07 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>>             To: HEART List <openid-specs-heart at lists.openid.net
>>>             <mailto:openid-specs-heart at lists.openid.net>>
>>>             Subject: [Openid-specs-heart] CHIME Launches $1M
>>>             Challenge to Solve Patient ID Problem
>>>
>>>             This is pertinent to our data-sharing use cases. There
>>>             is no current solution to accurately sharing/gathering
>>>             patients' clinical data stored among various
>>>             repositories.  In turn, that makes applying access
>>>             controls across all of a patient's data in those
>>>             repositories difficult. I'm happy to see Chime's challenge.
>>>
>>>             However, the related problem of discovering where all of
>>>             one's data might be is computationally intractable.  It
>>>             is equally intractable to gather and combine all access
>>>             permissions and regulatory restrictions on patients'
>>>             data, even if there were a useful means to do so.  (Both
>>>             are equivalent to the halting problem
>>>             <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem>.)
>>>
>>>             Having a single "source of truth" repository is one
>>>             direction for a solution, as is having a single access
>>>             permissions source.  Keeping them updated with new data
>>>             and permissions is possible, even if difficult in the
>>>             short run.
>>>
>>>             However, establishing unique URIs for each patient's
>>>             data and permissions is the same as having a universal
>>>             patient identifier.  That might be subject to current
>>>             Congressional funding restrictions.
>>>
>>>
>>>             /The College of Healthcare Information Management
>>>             Executives on Tuesday launched a $1 million National
>>>             Patient ID Challenge to develop solutions to ensure 100
>>>             percent accuracy of every patient’s identity to reduce
>>>             preventable medical errors.//
>>>             //
>>>             //http://www.healthdatamanagement.com/news/chime-launches-1m-challenge-to-solve-patient-id-problem/
>>>             -- 
>>>
>>>             *Glen F. Marshall*
>>>             Consultant
>>>             Security Risk Solutions, Inc.
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>>>             Tel: (610) 644-2452 <tel:%28610%29%20644-2452>
>>>             Mobile: (610) 613-3084 <tel:%28610%29%20613-3084>
>>>             gfm at securityrs.com <mailto:gfm at securityrs.com>
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>>>             <http://www.SecurityRiskSolutions.com>
>>>
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>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     Adrian Gropper MD
>>
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>>     HELP us fight for the right to control personal health data.
>>     DONATE: http://patientprivacyrights.org/donate-2/
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>
> Adrian Gropper MD
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