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<div name="messageReplySection">2020年1月29日 23:44 +0900、Dima Postnikov via Openid-specs-fapi <openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net> のメール:<br />
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<div dir="auto">- <b>Basic</b> / Foundational / Light / Starter</div>
<div dir="auto">- <b>Advanced</b> / Full / Enhanced / Complete</div>
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<div dir="auto">If it’s too hard... may be Level 1 and Level 2 to allow for more draconian versions to be included later :)</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 04:05, Daniel Fett via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br /></div>
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<div>Am 24.10.19 um 18:50 schrieb Ralph Bragg via Openid-specs-fapi:<br /></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>And it leaves room for “extreme” “draconian” and other profiles to be slotted around the “substantial” and “high”. Perhaps a key document will be required to offer clarity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>“low”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>“substantial”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>“high”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>“extreme”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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...as well as "ridiculous" and "ludicrous". <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0</a><br />
<p>Jokes aside, aligning with eIDAS terminology might also cause confusion, as people might think that "FAPI High" automatically gives some kind of compliance with eIDAS trust level "High" or is a prerequisite for that (which it might be, but that is a different story).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Or should it be draconian and then extreme…</span> <span>☺</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b> <span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Openid-specs-fapi <a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><openid-specs-fapi-bounces@lists.openid.net></a> on behalf of Steinar Noem via Openid-specs-fapi <a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net></a><br />
<b>Reply to:</b> Financial API Working Group List <a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank"><openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net></a><br />
<b>Date:</b> Thursday, 24 October 2019 at 17:45<br />
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<b>Cc:</b> Steinar Noem <a href="mailto:steinar@udelt.no" target="_blank"><steinar@udelt.no></a>, Rob Otto <a href="mailto:robotto@pingidentity.com" target="_blank"><robotto@pingidentity.com></a><br />
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openid-specs-fapi] Title change of Part 1 and Part 2.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For me “High” and «Substantial» maps to the LoA from eIDAS. And an unprofiled use of OAuth perhaps would map to “Low”.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">tor. 24. okt. 2019 kl. 18:19 skrev Rob Otto via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Hi folks. I agree that we should definitely re-look these names!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I must admit, to me it was not immediately clear how "substantial" and "high" related to one another since there is no natural ordering of these terms in English. Turns out that "high" should be interpreted as more secure than "substantial" but that wasn't clear to me on first reading. Is this just me, or do others find the same thing?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 16:34, Nat Sakimura via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<br />
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Back in the IIW, I discussed with Torsten about the potential title<br />
change of Part 1 and Part 2. Currently, they are Read Only and<br />
Read&Write respectively but there are cases where the read only data is<br />
very sensitive while write operation is not of high value.<br />
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Thus, we agreed that the current name may not be representing the real<br />
intention: Medium and High security profile respectively.<br />
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During the discussion, we came up with the name:<br />
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- Substantial (for Part 1)<br />
- High (for Part 2)<br />
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It follows eIDAS marking.<br />
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More details are recorded in the ticket #271.<br />
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<a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fapi/issues/271/rename-and-adjust-fapi-profiles" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/openid/fapi/issues/271/rename-and-adjust-fapi-profiles</a><br />
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The participants in the Oct. 9 call all agreed to it.<br />
This mail is to solicit wider opinions on it.<br />
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Please let us know of your opinions.<br />
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Nat Sakimura<br />
Chair, FAPI WG.<br />
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