<div><div dir="auto">What about one of these?</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- <b>Basic</b> / Foundational / Light / Starter</div><div dir="auto">- <b>Advanced</b> / Full / Enhanced / Complete</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If it’s too hard... may be Level 1 and Level 2 to allow for more draconian versions to be included later :)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 04:05, Daniel Fett via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Am 24.10.19 um 18:50 schrieb Ralph
      Bragg via Openid-specs-fapi:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>And
            it leaves room for “extreme” “draconian” and other profiles
            to be slotted around the “substantial” and “high”. Perhaps a
            key document will be required to offer clarity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>“low”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>“substantial”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>“high”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>“extreme”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>“draconian”
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    ...as well as "ridiculous" and "ludicrous". <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0</a><br>
    <p>Jokes aside, aligning with eIDAS terminology might also cause
      confusion, as people might think that "FAPI High" automatically
      gives some kind of compliance with eIDAS trust level "High" or is
      a prerequisite for that (which it might be, but that is a
      different story).</p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>-Daniel<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Or
            should it be draconian and then extreme…
          </span><span>☺</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Openid-specs-fapi
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              <b>Date: </b>Thursday, 24 October 2019 at 17:45<br>
              <b>To: </b>Financial API Working Group List
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              <b>Cc: </b>Steinar Noem <a href="mailto:steinar@udelt.no" target="_blank"><steinar@udelt.no></a>, Rob
              Otto <a href="mailto:robotto@pingidentity.com" target="_blank"><robotto@pingidentity.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-fapi] Title change of
              Part 1 and Part 2.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I like it a lot.<u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">For me “High” and «Substantial» maps to
              the LoA from eIDAS. And an unprofiled use of OAuth perhaps
              would map to “Low”.<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">tor. 24. okt. 2019 kl. 18:19 skrev
                Rob Otto via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Hi
                      folks. I agree that we should definitely re-look
                      these names!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">I
                      must admit, to me it was not immediately clear how
                      "substantial" and "high" related to one
                      another since there is no natural ordering of
                      these terms in English. Turns out that "high"
                      should be interpreted as more secure than
                      "substantial" but that wasn't clear to me on first
                      reading. Is this just me, or do others find the
                      same thing?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Best
                      regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0b5394">Rob<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 16:34, Nat
                    Sakimura via Openid-specs-fapi <<a href="mailto:openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-specs-fapi@lists.openid.net</a>>
                    wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Hi<br>
                    <br>
                    Back in the IIW, I discussed with Torsten about the
                    potential title <br>
                    change of Part 1 and Part 2. Currently, they are
                    Read Only and <br>
                    Read&Write respectively but there are cases
                    where the read only data is <br>
                    very sensitive while write operation is not of high
                    value.<br>
                    <br>
                    Thus, we agreed that the current name may not be
                    representing the real <br>
                    intention: Medium and High security profile
                    respectively.<br>
                    <br>
                    During the discussion, we came up with the name:<br>
                    <br>
                    - Substantial (for Part 1)<br>
                    - High (for Part 2)<br>
                    <br>
                    It follows eIDAS marking.<br>
                    <br>
                    More details are recorded in the ticket #271.<br>
                    <br>
                    <a href="https://bitbucket.org/openid/fapi/issues/271/rename-and-adjust-fapi-profiles" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/openid/fapi/issues/271/rename-and-adjust-fapi-profiles</a><br>
                    <br>
                    The participants in the Oct. 9 call all agreed to
                    it.<br>
                    This mail is to solicit wider opinions on it.<br>
                    <br>
                    Please let us know of your opinions.<br>
                    <br>
                    Best,<br>
                    <br>
                    Nat Sakimura<br>
                    Chair, FAPI WG.<br>
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