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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.10.19 um 18:50 schrieb Ralph
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">And
it leaves room for “extreme” “draconian” and other profiles
to be slotted around the “substantial” and “high”. Perhaps a
key document will be required to offer clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“low”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“substantial”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“high”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“extreme”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“draconian”
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...as well as "ridiculous" and "ludicrous". <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0</a><br>
<p>Jokes aside, aligning with eIDAS terminology might also cause
confusion, as people might think that "FAPI High" automatically
gives some kind of compliance with eIDAS trust level "High" or is
a prerequisite for that (which it might be, but that is a
different story).</p>
<p>-Daniel<br>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 24 October 2019 at 17:45<br>
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<b>Cc: </b>Steinar Noem <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steinar@udelt.no"><steinar@udelt.no></a>, Rob
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Openid-specs-fapi] Title change of
Part 1 and Part 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For me “High” and «Substantial» maps to
the LoA from eIDAS. And an unprofiled use of OAuth perhaps
would map to “Low”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">tor. 24. okt. 2019 kl. 18:19 skrev
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folks. I agree that we should definitely re-look
these names!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">I
must admit, to me it was not immediately clear how
"substantial" and "high" related to one
another since there is no natural ordering of
these terms in English. Turns out that "high"
should be interpreted as more secure than
"substantial" but that wasn't clear to me on first
reading. Is this just me, or do others find the
same thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 16:34, Nat
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi<br>
<br>
Back in the IIW, I discussed with Torsten about the
potential title <br>
change of Part 1 and Part 2. Currently, they are
Read Only and <br>
Read&Write respectively but there are cases
where the read only data is <br>
very sensitive while write operation is not of high
value.<br>
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Thus, we agreed that the current name may not be
representing the real <br>
intention: Medium and High security profile
respectively.<br>
<br>
During the discussion, we came up with the name:<br>
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- Substantial (for Part 1)<br>
- High (for Part 2)<br>
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It follows eIDAS marking.<br>
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More details are recorded in the ticket #271.<br>
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The participants in the Oct. 9 call all agreed to
it.<br>
This mail is to solicit wider opinions on it.<br>
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Please let us know of your opinions.<br>
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Nat Sakimura<br>
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