[Openid-specs-fapi] High level text on CA trust models for financial apis
dave.tonge at momentumft.co.uk
Fri May 18 09:24:44 UTC 2018
Thanks for the feedback Tom.
I should clarify that this in the context of APIs and therefore is about
the identification of financial institutions and third party providers -
As these are API endpoints they are not expected to be opened in browsers,
bur rather by "confidential client" software. I agree that there are
definite maintenance issues for such systems, but they exist and do have
some advantages. The main advantage from my perspective is: common issuer
of "client" and "server" certificates with agreed federation rules on
revocation / renewal implemented right down to the transport layer.
On 18 May 2018 at 02:53, Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones at gmail.com> wrote:
> Closed system security should be the exclusive domain of the closed system
> But i cannot understand how a banking system can be consider closed. Isn't
> every person and company on the internet a potential customer.
> Perhaps you mean for only the connex among the participants, but even
> there all of the sites will also need to establish HTTPS links to
> I believe it will be a maintenance headache for many participants to have
> cert from multiple unrelated sources, unless those sources were also
> trusted by the major browser manufacturers.
> If not part of the browser trust list, i could not even do discovery
> endpoint without the cert on my own dev box.
> That would be problematic for me personally.
> closed https subsystems are much harder to administer than you might
> Peace ..tom
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Dave Tonge via Openid-specs-fapi <
> openid-specs-fapi at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>> Dear FAPI WG,
>> Part of the work being done for the technical standard from ISO TC68 /
>> SC9 / WG2 is high level guidance around more than just the use of OAuth and
>> TLS. It would be great to have some feedback on the below text.
>> I'd also be grateful if anyone could point me to existing text that seeks
>> to describe these different models.
>> # Certificate Issuance and Verification
>> Key to the authentication and identity characteristics of TLS is the
>> issuance and verification of certificates. There are a number of different
>> approaches that can be applied to financial APIs - each with a different
>> trust model.
>> ## Standard website certificates issued by globally trusted certificate
>> Internet Browser and Operating System providers maintain lists of
>> globally trusted certificate authorities, the Mozilla one is widely used
>> and is available here. A financial API provider can obtain certificates
>> signed by one of these globally trusted certificate authorities from
>> multiple vendors in the market, who will validate that the provider
>> controls a domain before issuing a certificate corresponding to that
>> These standard "domain validated" certificates provide no authoritative
>> identity assurances themselves, but are often times sufficient when the
>> client has other means of confirming the identity of the financial API
>> provider. It is possible for a provider to obtain an "extended validation"
>> certificate which does provide assurance of the corporate identity of the
>> provider. In practice these provide little additional benefit as the client
>> will still need to make a decision based on external criteria as to whether
>> they trust the API provider.
>> One downside with this approach is that it is harder to use client
>> certificates from the same certificate authorities as few of them will
>> issue such certificates. If a deployment requires the use of client
>> certificates then it may be appropriate to consider using a different trust
>> ## Regional trust frameworks, such as eIDAS in the EU
>> The eIDAS family of legislation in the EU provides a trust framework with
>> qualified trust service providers. These service providers can issue both
>> server and client certificates and there are various standards to support
>> additional metadata in such certificates, such as the regulatory status of
>> the owner of the certificate. For region specific deployments this approach
>> may be of merit. Moreover such certificates have a clear and strong legal
>> status and in some cases are mandated to be used by law.
>> ## Federation Operators
>> Some ecosystems, particularly closed ecosystems, delegate the
>> responsibility for issuing certificates to a federation operator. This
>> entity will have the responsibility for verifying the identity of the
>> participants according to rules specific to the federation. Each
>> participant in the ecosystem will trust the federation operator and may
>> well have a specific contract or terms of service in place with such an
>> operator. Examples of this approach in the UK are the UK Open Banking
>> Directory and the Origo Unipass system.
>> Dave Tonge
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