[OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships

[Peter Bainbridge-Clayton]

I think the important thing to bear in mind is that even for people with dual (or more!) nationalities, any one ID document only shows the nationality granted by one jurisdiction, so the verification is dependent on the document they choose to use for that service, irrespective of what other nationalities they may have.

Pete

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From: Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces at lists.openid.net> on behalf of Mark Haine via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>
Sent: 13 May 2021 16:14
To: Mischa Salle <msalle at nikhef.nl>; OpenID eKYC Identity Assurance Working Group <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>
Cc: Mark Haine <mark at considrd.consulting>
Subject: Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] nationalities vs citizenships

I think there maybe many different rules for different countries.

In the case of Ireland a person is entitled to Irish citizenship if their parent or grandparent was born on the island of Ireland (including Northern Ireland which is actually part of the United Kingdom).  A somewhat extreme example I suspect.

I would suggest we stay away from the rules of how citizenship and nationality are established and focus on communicating the status at the point of verification.

Mark


On 13/05/2021, 11:13, "Openid-specs-ekyc-ida on behalf of Mischa Salle via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida" <openid-specs-ekyc-ida-bounces at lists.openid.net on behalf of openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> wrote:

    Hi all,

    On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:39:35AM +0200, Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida wrote:
    > Hi Sascha,
    >
    > interesting question ;-) We had a long discussion about nationality and
    > nationalities in the early days of eKYC. The consensus was that a person
    > can indeed have more than one nationally. That’s why we made it an array.
    >
    > Because you raised the question, I just looked it up as well and it seems
    > nationally can be used to designate both: the country where you were born
    > as well as the citizenship with a country granted to a person.

    Out of curiosity, how does that work for temporary residents in
    countries like The Netherlands or Finland where citizenship goes via
    that of the parents and not via that of the country of birth. For
    example, if someone with Dutch parents is born in Finland, the child
    only gets Dutch citizenship and a Dutch passport. Are you saying they
    can also claim Finish nationality?

    Best wishes,
    Mischa

    > Sascha Preibisch via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <
    > openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> schrieb am Do. 13. Mai 2021 um
    > 06:29:
    >
    > > Hi all!
    > >
    > > Today at the meeting I looked at the term 'nationalities' and wondered if
    > > that is accurate.
    > >
    > > If I am not mistaken anyone can have exactly one nationality which
    > > represents the country a person was born in. Citizenship on the other
    > > hand is granted to a person. For example, my nationality is German but
    > > in addition I could become a Canadian citizen. The list of citizenships
    > > would be German, Canadian, nationalities only German.
    > >
    > > Therefore, shall we rethink where we use one vs. the other?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > Sascha
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