[OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] Feedback needed

Fri Jan 17 18:32:57 UTC 2020

Or maybe not... I have serious doubts that it is possible to build a taxonomy for id-verification that will be useful.

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> 17 jan. 2020 kl. 18:44 skrev Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten at lodderstedt.net>:
> 
> I think the “trust_framework” identifiers should go into https://www.iana.org/assignments/loa-profiles/loa-profiles.xhtml. I also think we need other registries for evidence types, verification methods and document types. 
> 
>> On 17. Jan 2020, at 18:35, Leif Johansson <leifj at sunet.se> wrote:
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>> Probably not but IANA/IESG is gona review and will also notice and push back on overlap.
>> 
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>>>> 17 jan. 2020 kl. 18:30 skrev Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten at lodderstedt.net>:
>>> 
>>> I know. My point is, we have several different elements in our data model where we seek extensibility for. Can we put all of those into this single registry?
>>> 
>>>> On 17. Jan 2020, at 18:29, Leif Johansson <leifj at sunet.se> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Påls point (and mine) is that there is one already.
>>>> 
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>>>>>> 17 jan. 2020 kl. 18:16 skrev Torsten Lodderstedt <torsten at lodderstedt.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for your feedback. We know the current state is not the perfect solution. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finding a sustainable solution is a key topic for the next revision of OpenId Connect for Identity Assurance. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please see https://bitbucket.org/openid/ekyc-ida/issues/1093/extensibility-how-do-we-support
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you can see ased on the discussion in the latest call, we are aiming at using IANA registries for the different element types. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>> Torsten. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17. Jan 2020, at 17:26, Leif Johansson via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2020-01-16 17:46, Pål Axelsson via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I subscribed to this list today due to that we're owrking with assurance
>>>>>>> framework within our academic federation in Sweden. Today we uses SAML
>>>>>>> and signal assurance certifications. When we start to use OpenID Connect
>>>>>>> we want to be able to do that there to.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I read the proposed standard earlier today I saw a large
>>>>>>> enumeration in the working materials. I think this is a bad practice to
>>>>>>> enumerate in the standard documentation due to these things tend to
>>>>>>> change and then there will be a need to update the standard. The
>>>>>>> enumeration should instead be in an external registry, for example IANA
>>>>>>> registry over Level of Assurance (LoA) Profiles
>>>>>>> (https://www.iana.org/assignments/loa-profiles/loa-profiles.xhtml).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pål Axelsson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As the author of RFC6711 I can tell you that you're not wrong. The
>>>>>> way we setup the LOA registry was to be able to handle multiple
>>>>>> protocol - something I'm sure john bradley could attest to aswell
>>>>>> since he was also involved.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In fact I think I might mentioned the registry to Torsten @ IIW
>>>>>> last fall :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers Leif
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ------ Originalmeddelande ------
>>>>>>> Från: "Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida"
>>>>>>> <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>>
>>>>>>> Till: "OpenID eKYC Identity Assurance Working Group"
>>>>>>> <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>>
>>>>>>> Kopia: "Torsten Lodderstedt" <torsten at lodderstedt.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:torsten at lodderstedt.net>>
>>>>>>> Skickat: 2020-01-16 17:34:19
>>>>>>> Ämne: Re: [OpenID-Specs-eKYC-IDA] Feedback needed
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Naohiro,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> good question. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would go with Wikipedia‘s
>>>>>>>> definition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And for every jurisdiction list the respective law(s) + further use cases.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ronald just raised the question about a use case repository. I think
>>>>>>>> this nicely fits together. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We could setup a sub page listing the laws/use cases that were
>>>>>>>> implemented using OIDC4IDA and how.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>>>> Torsten.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 16.01.2020 um 10:35 schrieb Naohiro Fujie via
>>>>>>>>> Openid-specs-ekyc-ida <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello Torsten,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any criteria to list up jurisdictions? OpenID Foundation Japan have
>>>>>>>>> listed up financial and telco related laws earlier, but there are more
>>>>>>>>> laws require identity assurance.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Naohiro
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2020年1月16日(木) 1:29 Torsten Lodderstedt via Openid-specs-ekyc-ida
>>>>>>>>> <openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:openid-specs-ekyc-ida at lists.openid.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> we have so far checked OpenID Connect 4 Identity Assurance in detail
>>>>>>>>>> against the requirements and use cases of certain jurisdictions (JP
>>>>>>>>>> & DE) or are expecting such feedback from other jurisdictions (UK,
>>>>>>>>>> Scandinavia, Australia).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We are seeking for detailed review feedback regarding applicability
>>>>>>>>>> of OpenID Connect 4 Identity Assurance from other jurisdictions
>>>>>>>>>> since we want to make sure we develop a truly International standard.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We would highly appreciate any feedback!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>> Torsten.
>>>>>>>>>> 
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