<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:17 AM, John Bradley <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com">john.bradley@wingaa.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">The idea is to have the binding backwards compatible with the existing GET/POST binding.<div><br></div><div>The artifact binding would be initiated by the RP if they support it.  A IdP not supporting artifact would process it according to the existing spec.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is the large IdP that want it due to problems with POST. (mobile aside)   However it is not useful unless RP&#39;s implement it.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree that wide spread RP adoption is more likely if it is part of the core spec.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I know that CX and other people are proceeding with implementations.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><div>
Actually, not. We are just doing POC implementation to see the compatibility issues etc. with the current libraries. </div><div>CX actually does not depend on any binding. It can be used over POST binding, which we know of as Authn 2.0, as well. </div>
</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Its dependency is not on AB but on AX1.1: being able to send a parameter with a request. </span></div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>My worry is that if we do nothing we will wind up with one or more defacto standards for artifact.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><div>
Indeed. While NRI was the only one that was implementing it, I did not care too much since we could switch to the standardized version whenever it comes up. However, I have started to see some ad-hoc implementations, which are beyond my control. If we do not standardize it now, we will lose the game. </div>
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<div>I am also slightly concerned that some of the people involved have existing implementations that they are backing.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><div>
I do not know about others, but do not worry about ours. </div><div>As far as AB is concerned, it is POC, out of my own R&amp;D project, and is not in the production environment. </div><div>As I wrote above, timing seems to be more important. Real big implementors, when they see business chance, </div>
<div>will not wait for us. </div><div class="im" style="color: rgb(80, 0, 80); "></div></span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br></div><div>Prototypes are good but frankly presenting a finished spec to be rubber stamped is something I have seen other places.</div><div>(you know who I am talking about MS)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>In this case I think people have proceeded independently because they could not get this WG started.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I do think the WG needs to consider all of the design options for adding this.</div><div><br></div><div>John B.</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><div><div>On 2010-02-05, at 1:07 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite">I&#39;m really weary of making non-compatible protocol changes as separate efforts.  If this is going to be done then it should happen within the context of the main specification.<div><br></div>
<div>Personally I&#39;m worried about the additional complexity given a relatively narrow group of implementors calling for the feature.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--David<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:01 PM, John Bradley <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:john.bradley@wingaa.com" target="_blank">john.bradley@wingaa.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">This creates a new direct message type.   I thought extensions were extending the existing messages.<div><br></div><div>It is probably a grey area.</div><div><br></div><div>Other protocols consider this to be a separate protocol binding rather than an extension of the redirect or POST binding.</div>

<div><br></div><div>John B.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div></div><div><div>On 2010-02-05, at 12:23 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div>
Hey Nat,<div>Shouldn&#39;t this be considered an extension?</div><div><br></div><div>--David<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Nat Sakimura <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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<strong>Charter Proposal</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



In accordance with the OpenID Foundation IPR policies and procedures this note proposes the formation of a new working group chartered to produce an OpenID specification. As per Section 4.1 of the Policies, the proposed charter is below.</div>



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<strong>I. Name</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



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<strong>II. Statement of Purpose</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



Produce a binding of OpenID requests and response (assertion) that uses direct communication for main payload and indirect communication for a small reference data called Artifact to cope with long URL limits experienced by man</div>



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<strong>III. Scope</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



Create the Artifact Binding to support the identified needs. Currently identified: </div><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1.2em;margin-left:2em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



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Cope with long url problem, especially for mobile browsers. </li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



Cope with the security problems of non-encrypted payload to go through the user agents which may act as a man-in-the-middle. </li></ul><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>IV. Specifications</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



OpenID Artifact Binding 1.0</div><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>V. Anticipated audience</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



All those interested in using OpenID in mobile and other constrained browser and server elements. </div><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>VI. Language of business</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



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<strong>VII. Method of work</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



Mailing list discussion. Posting of intermediate drafts in the OpenID Wiki. Virtual conferencing on an ad-hoc basis.</div><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>VIII. Basis for completion of the activity</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



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<strong>Background Information</strong></div><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>I. Related Work</strong></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



SAML Artifact Binding</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



OAuth</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



Wrap</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



Contract Exchange</div><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>II. Initial Membership</strong></div><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:3em;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



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Breno de Medeiros, <a href="mailto:breno@google.com" target="_blank">breno@google.com</a>. Google, Inc. </li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



Hideki Nara, <a href="mailto:hdknr@ic-tact.co.jp" target="_blank">hdknr@ic-tact.co.jp</a>, Tact Communications</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



Nat Sakimura, <a href="mailto:n-sakimura@nri.co.jp" target="_blank">n-sakimura@nri.co.jp</a>, Nomura Research Institute, Ltd.  (editor)</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



John Bradley, <a href="mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com" target="_blank">ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com</a></li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



Allen Tom, <a href="mailto:atom@yahoo-inc.com" target="_blank">atom@yahoo-inc.com</a>, Yahoo!</li><li style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">



Will Norris, <a href="mailto:will@willnorris.com" target="_blank">will@willnorris.com</a></li></ul><hr style="min-height:1px;font-size:1px;color:rgb(204, 204, 204);background-repeat:initial;background-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;margin-top:9px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:8px;margin-left:0px">

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<strong>III. Expected contribution</strong></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:1.5em">



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<span style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:15px">Draft: OpenID Artifact Binding 1.0 - Draft 01, <a href="http://www.sakimura.org/specs/ab/1.0/" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-style:initial;border-color:initial;font-weight:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-size:13px;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(17, 68, 136)" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/specs/ab/1.0/</a></span></div>



</span><br><font color="#888888">-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br><a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br><a href="http://twitter.com/_nat_en" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/_nat_en</a><br>



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