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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">True, this isn't the
      original use case... but it's an interesting one. However, it
      seems like getting a "consent receipt" response would make more
      sense connected to the prompt=consent flow than a prompt=create
      one. And maybe if a "consent receipt" is attached to the act of a
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      face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">then this is a case where
      prompt="create consent" makes sense:)</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/1/19 6:06 PM, Tom Jones via
      Openid-specs-ab wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">What i think the client might need is a consent
        receipt to show that the user did agree to share the data with
        the client. In that case the client could request that user
        consent be sought. I am not sure at all that this was the reason
        for the request for this item, but it is a reasonable request
        from the client side to know that it has received the data in a
        lawful manner.<br clear="all">
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              <div>Peace ..tom</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 5:05
          PM Brock Allen via Openid-specs-ab <<a
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          wrote:<br>
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            Console";color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Do you have a concrete
            example of how a client would know to send prompt=create?
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            <div>I ask because my first reaction is that given the
              client doesn't authenticate the user, it has no idea if
              the user has an account or not, so how/why would it know
              to send this value? </div>
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            <div>Or are you simply imaging the scenario where the client
              shows a "login" or "register" link, rather than getting
              the OP to do that?<br>
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                  1/31/2019 3:46:26 PM, George Fletcher via
                  Openid-specs-ab <<a
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                    style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Thanks
                    so much for the quick feedback William! Comments
                    inline...</span><br>
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                    class="gmail-m_4124734365722041158moz-cite-prefix">On
                    1/31/19 12:45 PM, William Denniss wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Hi George,</div>
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                        <div>Some quick review thoughts:</div>
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                        <div>Section 4 Why is there a prohibition on
                          combining "create" with other prompt values?
                          What if a future prompt value was added that
                          was compatible with "create"?</div>
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                  My thinking (though I'm open to options) is that there
                  are many values that can be mutually exclusive. For
                  example, what does prompt="create consent" mean? I'm
                  happy to reduce this to SHOULD to allow for future
                  possibilities. Or change the wording to explain that
                  other prompt values that conflict with "create" should
                  not be used.<br>
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                        <div>Section 4.1, "the account creation
                          experience" isn't defined by any OpenID spec,
                          so requiring it with a MUST could be
                          problematic. Also, most guidance on the UI
                          shown by the OP is generally in the form of
                          recommendations not normative requirements
                          (e.g. around scope consent screens).</div>
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                  OK, I'm fine changing this to a SHOULD if that makes
                  things more acceptable :)<br>
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                        <div>As background, how would you expect this to
                          be shown on the client? Two different buttons,
                          one to connect an existing account, one to
                          create a new account? Might be worth a
                          non-normative discussion in the doc about how
                          the clients might use this.</div>
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                  More or less, yes:) There are some use cases where the
                  client may want to allow the user to choose between
                  the options (sign-up vs sign-in) before starting the
                  authentication flow. I don't think it precludes the OP
                  from having to know that a client started an
                  authenticate flow, the user chose the sign-up
                  link/button and then at the end of registration the OP
                  needs to redirect back to the client with a code.
                  However, it does allow the client to optimize the
                  experience.<br>
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                  Thanks again,<br>
                  George<br>
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                        <div>William</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 31,
                        2019 at 9:19 AM George Fletcher via
                        Openid-specs-ab <<a
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                        rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I've attached
                        both the XML and Text versions of a very small
                        spec that <br>
                        defines a new parameter value for the 'prompt'
                        parameter that allows the <br>
                        client to request the user go directly to the
                        account creation flow and <br>
                        when the user has successfully created the
                        account, return a 'code' to <br>
                        the client. This improves the user experience by
                        allowing the client to <br>
                        direct the user directly to the account creation
                        page.<br>
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                        Feedback greatly appreciated!<br>
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                        Thanks,<br>
                        George<br>
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