[Openid-specs-ab] Reform OpenID Connect

Mike Jones Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
Fri Jul 27 23:44:04 UTC 2018

I've written the promised "How do working groups work"? page http://openid.net/wg/about/ - as announced at http://openid.net/2018/07/27/how-do-working-groups-work/ and https://twitter.com/openid/status/1022986802754289665.  Thanks to Nat Sakimura, Adam Dawes, Carla Roncato, and Don Thibeau for their contributions to the content.  Hopefully this FAQ will be useful to working group participants new and old and help people most effectively participate in the OpenID working group processes.

				Best wishes,
				-- Mike

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Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Reform OpenID Connect

What is discussed at the working group meetings is up to those who show up.  What's been said about the Federation spec at the meetings is mostly that it appears to be on track, based on feedback from large-scale federation experts and early implementers.  If you have a different viewpoint and want to advocate specific changes, you could show up and we'll have a discussion about that.

But complaining about process now when you haven't attended working group discussions to express your viewpoint seems a bit counterproductive.

				-- Mike

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From: Mike Schwartz <mike at gluu.org> 
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Reform OpenID Connect

Mike J,

According to the minutes, not much time is devoted to the federation topic at the meetings and on the calls. When I pointed this out in my email to the board, on 7/17, you inferred that this is normal--discussion happened on the mailing list:

On 2018-07-17 10:32, Mike Jones wrote:
> Substantive discussion happened on the mailing list

Now it seems like we're switching back to the meetings (and calls I guess).

At a higher level, the clear lack of consensus on the federation spec that existed before the vote is a red flag that the process is broken, and needs reform.

As Don says in his blog: "Vote early and often": 

Let's make that a reality.

- Mike S

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